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nhansard
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SD5/My Games/coloredgrid.jpg

We've been kicking around some ideas in IRC about what to do with this. I made an excel version for easier manipulation. Have fun.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:45 pm
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tomtom224
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Just a few notes about the Grid:
-There are eight of every color except for Black and White
-There are ten white block and six black blocks
-There are two of each color in every row, except for White, which starting from top to bottom rows goes "4, 3, 2, 1," While the black boxes do just the opposite, "0, 1, 2, 3."
-The black and white boxes fit together if moved all the way to the right. In that case, you would have something like this:
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B R Y G G R Y B W W W W
B Y G R Y R B G W W W Bl
G Y R B B Y R G W W Bl Bl
Y G G B B R R Y W Bl Bl Bl

B = Blue
R= Red
Y = Yellow
G = Green
W = White
Bl = Black


-There are forty-eight boxes and six colors (Including Black and White)

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As I have recenly been thinking of an encryption scheme based on the color values of a grid, I thought that possably Virgil was thinking the same thing. here are the values as found in Paint.

B R Y G W BL
Red 227 255 255 217 255 0
Green 239 227 255 255 255 0
Blue 255 226 203 216 255 0

Hue 79 1 40 79 160 160
Sa 240 240 240 240 0 0
Lum 222 226 216 222 240 0
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I think that there's a link between this and the sourcecode file.

The source code of "sourcecode" defines many more colors than it needs to. (For example, .style2 {color: #FF0000} is red) If you assign the style number to the color for each color in the grid, using X for black since it is not defined in "sourcecode", you get:
Code:
5 2 4 3 1 1 3 2 4 1 5 1   
5 4 3 2 4 2 1 5 1 1 3 X   
3 4 2 1 5 1 5 4 2 3 X X   
4 3 3 5 5 1 2 2 4 X X X

The first line adds up to 32, the second to 31, and so forth.

I'm not sure how style colors 6-9 fit in, 8 is another shade of blue, which could alter the numerical totals, and where one would go from here.

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nevermind
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possible fill-in-the-blanks idea?
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tomtom224
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Dr. Jinx wrote:
5 2 4 3 1 1 3 2 4 1 5 1
5 4 3 2 4 2 1 5 1 1 3 X
3 4 2 1 5 1 5 4 2 3 X X
4 3 3 5 5 1 2 2 4 X X X


Applying this with what I said gives you:

5 2 4 3 3 2 4 5 1 1 1 1
5 4 3 2 4 2 5 3 1 1 1 X
3 4 2 5 5 4 2 3 1 1 X X
4 3 3 5 5 2 2 4 1 X X X

Maybe we have to translate these numbers to binary for another password?

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Sorry for the double post guys, but something just occured to me.

While in the chatroom, and looking through this thread again, I saw nhansard's last post, and it caught my interest. If it is a fill-in-the-blank type puzzle, I think that the same colors would signify the same letters.

This lead me to believe that there might be slight changes that we can't really see to each color, and we might have to enhance the change. If anyone has a program that can identify exact colors, like Photoshop or something, could you check this out?

Also, if you highlight the grid on the Ian-Net page, every other line comes up with a small dot at the cross of the horizontal and vertical lines. I'm not sure if this is normal, but could it be to tell us that we should look at this in boxes of four (2x2)?

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tomtom224 wrote:
This lead me to believe that there might be slight changes that we can't really see to each color, and we might have to enhance the change. If anyone has a program that can identify exact colors, like Photoshop or something, could you check this out?


Done. There are no subtle changes, really. Needless to say, there are artifacts since this is a .jpg file, but I don't think they're part of the puzzle. Here are the main colors:

Yellow: FFFFCB
Blue: E3EFFF
Pink: FFE3E2
Green: D9FFD8
White: FFFFFF
Black: 000000

There is one interesting part, though. Zoom in on the (6,1) (7,1) (6,3) and (7,3) positions, and look at the rightmost gridline. You'll see a grey line to the left of each gridline. I'll attach a closeup pic.

(6,1)'s and (7,1)'s Grey: D9D9D9
(6,3)'s and (7,3)'s Grey: E3E3E3


At first, I just thought it was just an easily-missed error from putting the puzzle together. But I realized, if the squares were drawn and filled individually, the greys should have a little bit of tone from their respective squares. If the grey is left over from photoshop anti-aliasing when they tried to erase a gridline (before the colors were put in), they would all be the same color grey (and the line probably wouldn't be straight). So maybe these lines are intentional after all.

I didn't look at color values since the file has jpg artifacts (giving it a total of 83 slightly different colors). Just for the sake of completion, I'll attach a picture with all of the artifacts highlighted.

Ooh. Now that I've done that, one other interesting thing popped up. Check out the third attached picture...the black in a significant portion of the grid is different from the rest of the grid (I highlighted it blue). I don't see how that could have happened on accident.
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Can someone try this as an alternate palette for the large kidsart pictures?
I don't have a program that will do that.

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These pictures have quite a bit more color depth than the grid does, thus there isn't one obvious way to swap the colors out. What did you have in mind?

I did quickly mess with the saturations, color balances, and tried some other color tweaks to look for hidden messages within each pic. Nothing turned up. As far as swapping each individual color like I did in the colorgrid, well...colorgrid had 86 colors to swap. These have 24 million. Aside from that, word is not a friendly program for extracting pictures, so I don't know for sure that I didn't accidentally convert them to a different file format in the process (thus changing their color schemes).

If I were designing a puzzle that used very specific color values, I would use gif, png, and possibly bmp--not word or jpg. That makes me think we're barking up the wrong tree here.

I did see one other notable thing in these pics. When I finally extrapolated them from word (with three different methods), most of the resulting files had a verticle resolution that differed from the horizontal (the pixels weren't square). That's kinda odd.
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Yes, i was afraid of that.
I tried to do it in Gimp where I converted the pic to indexed and tried to repalce the first X colors with the grid, but no go.

You are correct that it's most likely the wrong path.

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This reminds me of the game 'master mind' linky (google "mastermind game" and you'll get heaps of stuff about it.)

How that helps anything get solved I don't know....

Also, trying to sample an exact colout from a JPG is risky, since JPG is a lossy format it will change colors to get better compression.

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colin wrote:
Also, trying to sample an exact colout from a JPG is risky, since JPG is a lossy format it will change colors to get better compression.


Agreed, though I would note the picture where I highlighted the artifacts...enough of the color is similar that we can at least be sure of the main original colors. Any jpg changes would be in larger blocks, and as you can see the main blocks of color are consistant across the picture. The only colors I would trust, then, are the pastels (FFFFCB, E3EFFF, FFE3E2, D9FFD8, FFFFFF, 000000) and the remote possibility that the greys (D9D9D9 & E3E3E3) were intentional.
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SuperJerms wrote:

I did see one other notable thing in these pics. When I finally extrapolated them from word (with three different methods), most of the resulting files had a verticle resolution that differed from the horizontal (the pixels weren't square). That's kinda odd.


The pictures all have different dimensions (both original and scaled).
These dims seem intentional since the scan in one even has some space on one side (the grey curl) anways here are the dims from word:

Kidsart 2.43"Wx 4.0"H -> 7.13"Wx 9.99"H -> scale:294%x247%
Kidsart2 3.65"Wx 3.5"H -> 8.0"W x 7.69"H -> scale:219%x220%
Kidsart3 2.81"Wx 4.0"H -> 7.01"Wx 10.0" H -> scale:250%x250%

numbers that stick out: 3.65 9.99 250x250 ... they might all be intentional with different solves for each picture?

I did not find any other properties set on the docs and no hidden words (from stats page in word) and just started on using word's picture controls to look for any clues that could pop from b/w contract and other built in controls (nothing yet).

Well the kidsart seems to have something in the grid layout and the note to room drawings is obvious enough.

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