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Bongadoo
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I've tried lots of male Italian names for the 'Dad' one. No luck, but there are lots and lots of Italian names.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:38 am
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sonofajoiner
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With regards to the Our Song clue, do we actually know any song titles by PC artists? Ive had a look at past sentinel articles and on wiki but aside from a couple of album titles for Roll For Damage I havent come up with anything. Ive had a go at entering the 5 PC groups that we know of so far (RFD, Joya, Satine Noir, PCSO and Jam One) with pietro as the username on the off chance that band names might work but without success.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:58 am
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Mosestrotsky
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I looked as well and could not find any. I have a sneaky suspicion that at the funeral their song will be played. We may have to wait for that

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Bongadoo
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Perhaps he will be buried at the place they first met, with his family and father there, their song playing and Sylvia clutching a bunch of Iris'.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:29 am
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WolverineFan
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pietro/iris page

FYI, the pietro/iris answer is definitely correct. The page that it references simply doesn't exist yet, and so the web server is redirecting us back to the main page automatically.

All the other logs are in index.html files, e.g.:
http://salkfamily.com/thewallsareblank/index.html

If you try to reference:
http://salkfamily.com/iwalkalittlefaster/index.html

You'll get a "404 Object not found" error, which means the file isn't ready for us yet. Guess you were too good a guesser Smile
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Re: pietro/iris page

WolverineFan wrote:
If you try to reference:
http://salkfamily.com/iwalkalittlefaster/index.html

You'll get a "404 Object not found" error, which means the file isn't ready for us yet. Guess you were too good a guesser Smile


Ok, I'm probably slow, but it just occurred to me that the password protected directories might have a second level of 'protection' by naming the log file something OTHER than index.html.

For example:
http://salkfamily.com/iwalkalittlefaster/iris.html

(which doesn't work)

So, just because we got the password right doesn't mean this puzzle is solved necessarily.
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You also can't ftp in either.

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Leeravitz
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In relation to Pietro's dad having an Italian name, I wouldn't say we have any guarantee that he *did* have an Italian name - the only clue is that his son has an Italian rendered name. Now, on earth, I would agree that we might hypothesise cause and effect from this, and assume that this would mean that the father was unlikely not to have been Italian (although there's only an inference, rather than a guarantee, even in that case). Within Perplexian society, I'd say we have nothing to go on in this regard:

1. The society is clearly multicultural in the extreme, and all sorts of names and identities belonging to differing societies on earth are thrown together in a mish - mash: names like Michio Clark, Henrik Tanner, Valerian Reynolds are all good examples of this sort of random linguistic coupling, and there are plenty more. I'd be wary about attributing precise genealogical origins on this basis - perhaps the implication is meant to be that once there were societies analagous to say Japan, Norway, Italy whatever within the Perplexian world, but 'modern' society has combined them into a single society whereby 'nationalities' are indistinguishable. Or maybe there are indeed separate 'nationalities' within the Perplexian world, but City culture ends up making everyone homogeneous. What is interesting is that the City appears to lack distinct ethnic groupings, and regions with specific ties to ethnicity (e.g. a 'Chinatown' district equivalent) - in this respect, it's unlike, say, New York, or London, or San Francisco.

2. In Salk's personal case, we might as well affirm that he (presumably) inherits his surname from his father, as well as his first name. As this is Salk, we note that this is not only a non - Italian name, but one with an important Germanic heritage. So, was Salk's father Italian or German? Perhaps we can come up with some complicated theory that his grandfather was a German and the son an Italian, inasmuch as this would mean anything in Perplexian terms, anyway. But my suspicion is that Pietro Salk is simply as multicultural an identity as many others in the City, and it wouldn't surprise me if his father had a name that has no Italiante quality at all...
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Centipede wrote:
You also can't ftp in either.
Whoah, easy up there. I know we're all flushed with success after the decompilation of the maze code, but FTPing into something when we've not been given any hint that we should is definitely brute force. Not just my opinion either - this came up back in the pre-game too.

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Bongadoo
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In relation to Pietro's dad having an Italian name, I wouldn't say we have any guarantee that he *did* have an Italian name - the only clue is that his son has an Italian rendered name. Now, on earth, I would agree that we might hypothesise cause and effect from this, and assume that this would mean that the father was unlikely not to have been Italian (although there's only an inference, rather than a guarantee, even in that case). Within Perplexian society, I'd say we have nothing to go on in this regard:

1. The society is clearly multicultural in the extreme, and all sorts of names and identities belonging to differing societies on earth are thrown together in a mish - mash: names like Michio Clark, Henrik Tanner, Valerian Reynolds are all good examples of this sort of random linguistic coupling, and there are plenty more. I'd be wary about attributing precise genealogical origins on this basis - perhaps the implication is meant to be that once there were societies analagous to say Japan, Norway, Italy whatever within the Perplexian world, but 'modern' society has combined them into a single society whereby 'nationalities' are indistinguishable. Or maybe there are indeed separate 'nationalities' within the Perplexian world, but City culture ends up making everyone homogeneous. What is interesting is that the City appears to lack distinct ethnic groupings, and regions with specific ties to ethnicity (e.g. a 'Chinatown' district equivalent) - in this respect, it's unlike, say, New York, or London, or San Francisco.

2. In Salk's personal case, we might as well affirm that he (presumably) inherits his surname from his father, as well as his first name. As this is Salk, we note that this is not only a non - Italian name, but one with an important Germanic heritage. So, was Salk's father Italian or German? Perhaps we can come up with some complicated theory that his grandfather was a German and the son an Italian, inasmuch as this would mean anything in Perplexian terms, anyway. But my suspicion is that Pietro Salk is simply as multicultural an identity as many others in the City, and it wouldn't surprise me if his father had a name that has no Italiante quality at all...


Although I conquer with your Perplexianesque slant on the theory (and of course proof in many cases) of the genealogies and resultant appellation within their culture, I cannot accede to the relevance or, indeed, pertinence of the issues you raise. You hint at the irrelevance of the Earth-based paradigm (which I don't wholly agree with), but nevertheless manage to make no suggestion or advancement on the topic, leading to a general purportlessness on the majority of your post. This is generally a requisite of preponderancy.

I believe understanding the epistemological contention within the Perplexian society as a whole may help us gauge better the efficacy of this cognomic process 1 . The perceived adventitious roots of the culture also adds to the difficulty of the task, but we have seen correlation in naming already (Violet and Scarlett for example), leaving no reason to place an assumption that quasi-random naming is commonplace in Perplexian life. In fact, the lack of family referencing available to us makes such conclusions difficult to draw, so I must concede to a flawed hypothesis.

However, I see no reason why such a family link would not be adhered to in a culture so similar to our own. Therefore, I propose to you that it would surprise me if his father had a name that had no Italian[a]te quality at all...


1 Making the assumption they themselves possess an apperception of the process involved.
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Bongadoo, did you run that post through a thesaurus or do you always attempt to obfuscate your point with pseudo-intellectualities? And it's "concur" not "conquer". Maybe you should've used a dictionary too.
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Actually it was just a play on Leeravitz's post. The point I was trying to make was that some posts just don't need to be that long, when the point they're trying to get accross could be done in one sentance. I'm actually a fan of most of Leeravitz's posts, but I thought that one a little needless. So my post was meant to be a witty rebut, but the subtlety seems to be lost on you.
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i did notice the urine sampling in your post Bongadoo Smile
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Yeah, it's a fair point - not everything I write has to be so prolix. I figure it was a bit of a 'slow news day' and so I was needlessly elaborating on something that's fairly straighforward, rather than speculating on a topic of more relevance.

At the same time, of course, that is also just how I write, which is what you get probably having trained to be an academic for eight years.

There are plenty of my posts which go on at length about everything in an intellectual manner, and then, there are others which are couched in slang, and last for two sentences. Just how the fancy takes me Smile
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Leeravitz

Personally, regarding Leeravitz' posts, I think it beats the current trend for 'dumbing down'. Keep up the good work.
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