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dusty2229
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Don't you think it'd very odd that this site uses actual photograhic images of people rather than illustrations elsewhere. I thought photography was old hat to Perplexians. I can't find the reference to the actual discussion as to why photographic representation is no longer used in PC (there is SO much info here now) but if it is no longer used why do we have it on this site in particular?
Any ideas?

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Scarlet said that using drawings was trendy. It could be that using photos is considered more traditional and formal, which is what a site like this would be going for.
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This thing about photos has been discussed to death. Absolutely to death. No, I dont fFind it odd. Useful, sure. Noteworthy, even. But not odd at all.
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Seej
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Well, I dunno about the rest of you, but the first thing I could think to do was to volunteer for the drug trials. Said I'd try pretty much anything and gave them a potted medical history (though I put it more formally than that). Only got the auto reply so far but I'll let you know if they send me some drugs (and then, of course, I'll set about solving all the puzzle cards in double-quick time).

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It's a very solid site, isn't it? Everything's backed up on regular pages (see Leeravitz) and the 'Special Projects' page returned some interesting experimental medical sites from
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Cognivia is currently conducting research into faTMS (focal assisted Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation)

...and all given with this breezy, oh-I'm-just-popping-off-for-a-quick-brain-implant feel.
Every time I googled a key phrase - functional terahertz nanoscale imaging - for example, or molecular electrodes, I'd find stuff that represented 10 to 30 years of research to us, being displayed as though designed by viagra.
I know, the point's already been made.
It just struck me how much effort has gone into this one site and how different it is from any of the other sites to date.
What am I going on about?
There's something.... funny.... about that site. Why is the sky grey and stormy behind that laughing couple on the "Testing and Trials" page?
why does that man look like he's screaming?
It's.... wrong.
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I completely agree, there's something off about the site. I get the feeling that there is some major importance about Cognivia.
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Purely OOG - so you can look away now if you want to:

For a long while, the only photographic reproductions that we knew of on -line were those that accompanied the Sentinel as adverts...and these were adverts for Ceretin/Cognivia.

A number of these pictures are reproduced on the site proper. Now, what this may mean is that those pictures have been available to MC for a lengthy period (the Sentinel has been running the adverts for a long time).

What that may, in turn, imply is that the work for the site was actually done a fairly long while ago - maybe it was one of the earliest sites created, because MC were aware that it would prove so labour intensive - maybe they even scaled down the operation once the Cognivia website had proved to be prohibitive in terms of cost (actors/models would have been required) and background researching. I'm not saying that other websites have been created suddenly - but the chances that, say, the Brotherhood's site could be put together fairly swiftly are much greater.

So maybe it's all got more to do with OOG than IG considerations.

Which may not really be in the spirit of this discussion, but I thought worth pointing out...
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Just to add my 2p,

It doesn't look like they hired actors to me- those pics are probably bought from an image library of the sort used by advertisers/magazine editors all the time. For example, here's a search i did for "human eye" on the Getty Images website - some of these could almost be ceretin ads themselves!
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The attention to detail is impressive, but not necessarily KLOOworthy. You might want to bear in mind that... (spoilered for those who like their ARGs extra-immersed, hold the meta, lots of mayonnaise)

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Adrian (Hon) comes to the games and entertainment industry from a neuroscience background; he graduated from Cambridge University in 2003 with a degree in Natural Sciences and left his neuroscience DPhil at Oxford University in 2004 to join Mind Candy.


That said, I do think the existance of Cognivia (and I assumer other similar companies) is fascinating from a social perspective. We don't have a culture where it's acceptable to use drugs to boost performance if you're "healthy" - indeed, it's usually referred to as drug abuse. I assume the drugs aren't available for free - does this mean that only the rich can afford them, thus boosting their intellect and ensuring their continued success while others languish in poverty, unable to compete with those who've hacked the meritocracy?

The Sentinel is pretty even handed, but I still think we've been presented with a city that is broadly utopian and socially enlightened. This would make a pretty cool chink in their spotless armour... Smile

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Gene therapy has come a long way since the days of delivering DNA via engineered retroviruses or zinc finger nucleases


Wow, they did their research, this is like cutting edge, ultra experimental stuff in our world. My nanotech course devotes considerable lecture time towards this stuff.

So, they have no commercial air travel, global trade that makes 17th century China look good,and no foreign relations worth talking about. On the other hand they have computing and bio/nanotech systems at least 15 years ahead of our own. What causes a city to become so introspective. yet not lose it's drive for progress?
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What causes a city to become so introspective. yet not lose it's drive for progress?


Ceretin?

/me listens to the pleasing hum of a logical feedback loop...

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Some of the stuff about PPC has me confused, as well. As it has been stated, they have amazing technology and science, but their commerce seems dead.

But then, this is an "Anti-Earth" we are talking about. I have been thinking about it for a while now, and decided it was right with the release of Cognivia. Here on Earth, what is the focus of the world? Sports. People are obsessed with physical entertainment. Best example of this, is the Olympics. The PPC side of things is, instead, intellectual. The PPC games is all about smarts. Just like we have steroids here for quickly buffing up, they have Cognivia. Though, it seems unusual that, as a city of intellectuals they would allow something like performance increasing drugs to be used in events.

It interests me, though, as to what side-effects that this drug just might have, and why it is so popular. While sport is popular here, steroids-or any sort of performance increasing drug, for that matter-are not all that popular as PPC's version seems to be with both the general public and their 'athletes'.
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DM wrote:
It seems unusual that, as a city of intellectuals they would allow something like performance increasing drugs to be used in events.


Actually they don't. there's been scandal after scandal on this topic. Try researching the wiki. i suggest starting with "Myra Champaign". It's an undertide thing, which requires some research.

DM wrote:
...PPC's version seems to be [popular] with both the general public and their 'athletes'.


The cognivia page has lots of warnings on the potential side effects of ceretin. They say right on the site that it should not be used by any athletes. It is targetted fFor doctors, lawyers, thinking trades of all sorts. We don't exactly know how accepted it is to actually use the stuff in the open public, however. I liken it to body builders using weight-gainers and vitamin drinks. Or Like, say, slim fFast. It's ok, on a certain level, but caution is advised all around. Skeptics will tell you the stuff is horrible and prone to kill you. popular opinion of mental enhancers varies across the spectrum.

However we should be very clear here: mental enhancers and stimulants are strictly fForbidden in sporting events!
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Scott wrote:
DM wrote:
It seems unusual that, as a city of intellectuals they would allow something like performance increasing drugs to be used in events.


Actually they don't. there's been scandal after scandal on this topic. Try researching the wiki. i suggest starting with "Myra Champaign". It's an undertide thing, which requires some research.


Yeah, I've been following PPC since it was Syzygy, but only jumped in now since it's heating up (finally), so I missed a bit of 'undertide' stuff. Thanks for pointing it out!

Still, it seems strange to me. A lot of stuff about PPC just doesn't add up. And I think Cognivia is up to something. They seem very shady, in a way. I might just be an overly suspicious ARGer, but it's a gut feeling that they aren't all they say they are. That might just be me.

Whatever the case, I stand by what I said before, Earth = Athletic, PPC = Intellectual.
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I agree, they have the feel of Sable & Shuck about them.
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