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talax
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here's a thought hi newbie here.
I looked at the lines in the 25x25 grid as setup earlier in the thread.
I decided to see which horizontal lines held the letters ASDOGC and YLVFQITB. Interestingly enough in both cases, none of the lines had all the letters, however there are certain lines that are only missing one letters. Depending on which letter you start with, you end up with different lines.
The following lines are the ones that come up if you start from left to right (i.e. they are missing "B" or "C")
Has everything but "B" in YLVFQITB:
WVFRPDSQIWUEUTMYEZAEJQLVP
Has everything but "C" in ASDOGC:
OMJTIBNDKGIAPYLGPTOSTWZYJ
I don't have an easy way to check so I didn't try going vertically instead of horizontally.
Don't know if that gives anyone any ideas... I almost thought I had something there.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 1:10 am
addlepated
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Joined: 17 Aug 2003 Posts: 1885 Location: Austin, Texas
For completeness sake, here are all three variations of the 25 symbol caretaker code:
Code:
y " & , @ l % \ v ; > ! f ) q $ } i * t + # ^ / b
y [ ] > < l " " v / , $ f $ q @ * i + t ! & . \ b
y ' @ ^ : l { / v ? ; # f ( q # + i = t % ! < ; b
a ? = s ^ - _ \ @ d # & , o ( . _ % g * @ : " / c
a [ < s & * + * # d ) ( { o } : < @ g : " @ $ \ c
a ^ _ s * & - / @ d ! * ; o ] > < @ g - = = | = c
The only thing that stands out to me is that the number of @ symbols in each set stays constant, although the positions change.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:08 am
Ehsan
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Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 992
Possible spoiler.. probably not though
Replacing the random characters with dashes, and the letters with their position in the alphabet we get:
25----12–-22---6–17–-9–20----2
1--19----- 4--- 5----7-----3
Now take each letter by the number and skipping a column for each dash:
First line (green) : THANATOS
Second line (blue): HERALD
Thanatos means death.. herald is a messenger.. So.. Messenger of Death?
Somebody might want to flash that by Reggie or Caretaker..
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:09 am
grumpyboy
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Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 660
WTG Ehsan!!! It's definitely the solve because:
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:19 am
Caterpillar
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Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
Great Job...!
Text:
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CLASSIFIED
Eyes Only - Memorandum - 23 June 1982
To : SECEF
From : ##########
Subject : Corroboration of intelligence gathered from SPECTRUM regarding Tabas, Iran earthquake.
Summary :
Intelligence has confirmed that a failure by Soviet Project SPECTRUM (Soviet Ministry of General Machine Building, Project Designation 2371), a weapons research project with the goal of transporting solid matter backwards in time and retrieving it intact, was the cause of the massive Iranian earthquake on September 16, 1978.
Based on current intell, SPECTRUM is currently 2 years ahead of similar efforts in the United States (Attachment A).
Experiments conducted by the Soviets on September 16, 1978 resulted in a catastrophobic earthquake in Northern Iran. The earthquake completely leveled the town of Tabas and surrounding villages, resulting in an estimated 25,000 deaths (Attachment [illegible])
An agent undercover in the USSR has [illegible] made contact with Ivar Turgenev, a scientist central to SPECTRUM. Turgenev disclosed two memos pertaining to SPECTRUM and the investigation surrounding the earthquake (Attachments C/E, Translations, Attachments D/F).
Specific Details : The following facts derive from our assets within SPECTRUM and independent intelligence from our agents and allies:
- Reports from agents in Yazd confirmed the arrival of a Soviet Tupolev 114 three hours ahead of all other Soviet relief flights into the Yazd airport. Based on the approximate flight path calculated by our analysts, the plane was airborne within moments of the disaster. The plane was unloaded in the hangar and four trucks were seen shortly thereafter leaving Yazd. Reconnaissance photos show the convoy traveled directly to the geographic epicenter of the earthquake. The team was seen scouring the rubble, photographing objects recovered from the excavation. All equipment and personnel were on a returning flight within 16 hours of arrival to destinations unknown.
-Analysts later confirmed that at 13:39 on 16 Sep 1978, SPECTRUM researchers determined they were the immediate cause of the Tabas, Iran earthquake. SPECTRUM reported that their experiment was started at 13:30 local Iranian time. At 13:40 the experiment was terminated due to an error in calculation that resulted in the loss of measuring instruments related to the experiment (Attachments C/D).
- Subsequent information provided by Turgenev confirms that the recovery team positively identified fragments of the measuring device at the precise epicenter of the earthquake (Attachments E/F).
- It is believed that upon the start of the experiment at SPECTRUM, the instrument was transferred incorrectly, resulting in a spatial-time fold, depositing the instrument in a very seismically active area roughly 250 meters below the surface. The spatial-time fold, paired with the already unstable terrain, is believed to be the cause of the earthquake. The earthquake measured between 7.4 and 7.8 on the Richter scale, resulted in 40,000 casualties, including an estimated 25,000 deaths (Attachment G).
-The earthquake is anomalous for several reasons. First, the measured aftershocks were considerably milder than those typical of such a major seismic event. Second, the epicenter did not fall directly onto any known fault lines. Finally, the epicenter depth was inconsistent compared to the measurements of the subterranean strata.
Risk Assessment : SPECTRUM has solved a number of issues that continue to frustrate our own project team. Currently, they are measurably ahead of us in quantum field generation, human experimentation, and retrieval of test subjects. If they solve their accuracy and reliability issues, they will have a potent weapon capable of making our entire military obsolete.
Recommendations :
1. Immediate action should be taken to bring our technology up to par by exploiting our assests within SPECTRUM.
2. Turgenev should be considered a candidate for immediate defection and given incentive to leave USSR by either threatening exposure or negotiation.
3. SPECTRUM should be targeted for urgent action by assets within the Ministry of General Machine Building. It should either be killed admistratively, or through outright sabotage.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:04 am
dishboy
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Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 399 Location: Atlanta
Nice job ehsan and grumpbyboy... I knew that logon.html would serve us some purpose still!
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:28 am
LazarusLong
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Joined: 20 Mar 2003 Posts: 453 Location: 93 miles SW of Ted Kaczynski's cabin
Great job eshan and grumpyboy!
That was one beautiful solve!
Just sent an email to caretaker to inform him that we have received his message - we'll see what happens now.
_________________"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea."
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:54 am
teeman11
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Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 42
So what do we do now? Do this mean we have the caretakers trust?
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:11 am
dishboy
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Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 399 Location: Atlanta
teeman11 wrote:
So what do we do now? Do this mean we have the caretakers trust?
We still have a lot of stuff to play with (caretaker's 2nd email with the "pad" references, the saved turgenev files)... but my guess would be that we'll hear back from caretaker now that we've found what he wants us to find and (hopefully) earned his trust...
_________________-- dishboy
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:18 am
LazarusLong
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teeman11 wrote:
So what do we do now? Do this mean we have the caretakers trust?
We'll know when we receive the next installment from caretaker, or the next time we chat with Reggie.
_________________"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea."
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:19 am
grumpyboy
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Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 660
LazarusLong wrote:
Great job eshan and grumpyboy!
Ehsan did the hard part. I just hung on WTG Ehsan!!!
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:48 am
Ehsan
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Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 992
grumpyboy wrote:
LazarusLong wrote:
Great job eshan and grumpyboy!
Ehsan did the hard part. I just hung on WTG Ehsan!!!
Actually I was wondering when you'd come and take over I had no idea what to do with "messenger of death" lol.. anyway, now to take care of the pad thingy, so let's move the discussion here
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:59 am
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grumpyboy wrote:
WTG Ehsan!!! It's definitely the solve because:
/ME DOES HAPPY DANCE!
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:22 pm
terminalskeptik
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Joined: 05 Jun 2003 Posts: 351 Location: Onboard the Groovy Purple Derigible
Is old Marc from RedKore messing with us or does all that Caretaker stuff
happening at Teleport cross over into Acheron? very interesting...
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:35 pm
aliendial
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Joined: 29 Sep 2002 Posts: 3438 Location: Far Far Away. Nowhere Near You. Really.
terminalskeptik wrote:
Is old Marc from RedKore messing with us or does all that Caretaker stuff
happening at Teleport cross over into Acheron? very interesting...
jamesi, can I use trout for redkore references in this forum?
Please?
_________________aliendial
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:37 pm
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