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[SOLVED] #215 - Black - [Maze Set] - Harmony
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Sasuntsi Davit
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[SOLVED] #215 - Black - [Maze Set] - Harmony

Just to help people out a bit, since the scan isn't very clear, each square has a wave drawn inside. All the squares contain complete wavelengths, (multiples of 4,5 and 6).

There are red arrows which help to show the sequence of sounds you have to follow to name the tune.

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Square No. | No. of complete waves
----------------------------------
         1 | 4
         2 | 4
         3 | 5
         4 | 4
         5 | 5
         6 | 6
         7 | 6
         8 | 5
         9 | 4
        10 | 6
        11 | 5
        12 | 4
        13 | 4
        14 | 5
        15 | 6
        16 | 5
        17 | 6
        18 | 6
        19 | 5
        20 | 4
        21 | 4
        22 | 4
        23 | 5
----------------------------------


each square is 16mm wide, (if you view the card sideways) so you can calculate the wavelengths if you want...

The text on the back of the card, on the map in the blue bubble reads:

The Academy
The Academy is where the most talented
minds of Perplex City conduct puzzle
research to help learn more about the
world and educate the public. For more
information about the Academy, visit
www.perplexcity.com.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:16 pm
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Oh please please please get this one scanned!

It sounds as if, even though there is no time base to figure out the frequencies, you could do it relatively. By going on the assumption that one of those notes is A440 (the A above middle C), you could determine the relative pitches around that assumption. Even if the note you picked as A was in fact a C#, you still have a transposed version of the song in a new key which should be recognizable.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae165.cfm is a site that should help in determining relative pitches.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-centsratio.htm is a site that helps to convert frequencies to cents and intervals.

At first glance, it looks like a major third and a perfect fifth for the intervals ... (maybe) meaning the notes would translate to:

a a c# a c# e e c# a e c# a a c# e c# e e c# a a a c#

... though it's nothing I recognize at the moment.

I'm guessing this is Caine's card. Wink
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appleTRON wrote:
Oh please please please get this one scanned!

kk, I'll do it now...bear with me for ~10 mins...

--done--
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Awesome! Thanks for the scan! This could be my favorite card ever.

I definitely agree with myself on this one. This one should be able to be solved through relative intervals. These are not actual pitches. They are also hand drawn so they're not even perfect sine waves or perfect tones. Unless someone disagrees strongly with me on this one, I say go with the notes I transcribed and happy key-plunking. My brain hurts too much to recognize the tune -- which does appear to be quite simple.
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taps maybe?

EDIT - yeah i'm pretty sure its taps. There are however a few deviations, but that may just be a translation error. As you said, the wavelengths are handwritten and hard to transcribe.

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Ok, i'm starting to reconsider my last answer. Taps seems close, and it also seems to fit almost exactly if you read it a different way - bottom to top, and left to right. However, if you read it the way it shows, zig-zaging up and down, then it doesn't really work. Still, it seems to follow a 3 note pattern similar to taps. Help please!

EDIT - Yeah if you disregard the arrows and read it bottom to top left to right, its taps exactly. No question about it. Not sure what this means though.

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It means that it's BAKCWARD TAPS!!! YAY!!!
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Backwards Taps, eh? Spat?

I thought of Taps last nite. Though the pitches are out of order, it does sound like it. However, I think the intervals in Taps are a perfect 4th and minor 6th. And the card doesn't exactly say what octave to play the notes at. What gets me is that there's only 3 notes. Like Taps. It's just too simple for it to be anything else. Unless it's some pub drinking song. I think we're missing something, though. It doesn't feel solved.

It's also early here and this may make little sense.
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The background looks like something that came out of a seismograph. This may just be backing up the sound thing, or it may mean something else. Its probably nothing but i'm just trying to look for any other clues.

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JamesDart wrote:
The background looks like something that came out of a seismograph. This may just be backing up the sound thing, or it may mean something else. Its probably nothing but i'm just trying to look for any other clues.


It appears to be a picture of a composite sound wave like you would see in a digital audio editor (like ProTools or Logic). It's nearly impossible to tell what it sounds like from what it looks like though ... it could be a drum kick or even someone speaking. Whatever it is though is a very short snippet. This backs up the whole sound wave thing.

I like the thinking outside the box on this one, though. I'd like to see other clues on this card. I'm starting to feel like we need to go back and work this one from the beginning because the info I've come up with so far doesn't seem to lead anywhere productive. I feel I may be leading people down a long and smelly road.

Blah blah forest blah blah trees, you know.
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Hi all. A bit new to this, as I only heard about Perplex City a few days ago but it seems a nice combo of media formats.

A three note tune seems very simplistic for a high level puzzle. Would a single wave string make any more sense, where the waves were joined together in the order specified?

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Curlytek wrote:
Would a single wave string make any more sense, where the waves were joined together in the order specified?


In terms of sound, it really wouldn't make a bit of difference. Essentially, we have strung them all together in the order specified (and treaded them as seperate notes). Stringing them together would only result in a portamento-type wave (kind of like a theremin -- and that's only if there were transitional frequencies to link them). The problem I'm having is that they are all hand drawn 'waves' whose measurements seem rough at best and not physical representations of an actual sound.

In other news, if anyone wants to trade this card with me (I don't have it yet), I'd be willing to stack the trade in your favor just to get my hands on Harmony.
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I can verify (from a reliable source) that the song is, indeed, Taps, and that the arrows are printed incorrectly.

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Yes!!!!!

We rule! Nothing can stop the UnForum crew ...

... except that damned Elucidate card.

(Thanks for the verify, Cassandra -- what's the deal, you sleeping with Adrian Hon?)
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However, this does raise the question, if they made a mistake on this card, and didn't realise, is it possible that they did it on others, if so, could there be unsolvable puzzles?
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