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Saevitia
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Puzzles for the wicked

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Okay, so I work at a grocery store and occasionally these crazy old hard core christain ladies will hand me 'convert or go to hell' type jesus pamphlets. Its gotten to the point that I just hold my hand up and say, 'no thanks.

but this time, they tricked me.

I held up my hand to say 'no thanks' and then I saw the cover. 'Worlds Best Optical Illusions'. My eyes lit up with delight. I took it. I was amused and bespelled for a whole five minutes at the old optical tricks, due to my lack of mental stimulation at work.

Then I saw the 'Important message' and I began to weep.

Do I honestly look THAT evil? I don't have any tatoos, let alone satanic ones. I don't even wear occult jewley that often, and when I do, its just a discreet rune pendant.

So why? Why do they hand me these things?

Do I go around handing out 'Loki is your lord and Trickster' pamphelts? No! I respect Christians, I admire the faith and devotion of those who hold it as their personal spiritualism. But please, don't tell me what god to worship, and I'll pay you the same courtesy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:34 pm
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Well, I certainly won't "flame" you - isn't that the whole point of the pamphlet, to save you from flames? Very Happy

But since you seem sincerely puzzled, I'll offer a sincere explanation... and hope I don't get flamed either.

There are many possible reasons why people might be giving you pamphlets. Maybe they are trying to control you. Maybe someone is controlling them, telling them to pass them out. Or maybe the have some psychological problem that compels them.

But their behavior doesn't have to include any of those. They may simply, sincerely believe that faith in Jesus is necessary to save one's soul; that anyone who does not will spend an eternity in agony.

You say you don't pass out literature about Loki. But does belief in Loki benefit a person in any way? Most likely you don't think so. However, if you do, why wouldn't you want to share that good news?

You asked "Do I honestly look THAT evil?" But your looks (or your level of evil) may have nothing to do it. Some Christians believe that all people are sinners from birth, some believe that there is grace for children until they reach an age when they can hear and understand the Gospel, but all (AFAIK) believe that all capable adults are sinners, Christian or not. But they also believe that, no matter what evil a person may have done in the past, a sincere faith in Jesus will either save their soul, or put them on the path to salvation. Conversely, no matter how little evil one does, or even how much good one may do, without Jesus one's soul is still lost.

So, given what they believe are the stakes, and given any fellow-feeling whatsoever, you can see why a sincere Christian might be willing to risk reaching across the little interpersonal barriers of modern life and dare to share their beliefs with a stranger.

Of course, you may still be annoyed even if you accept that their motives are sincere and intended to help you. Certainly, I sometimes feel that way when people try to shove ideas down my throat. But even then, all that those "crazy old hard core christain ladies" are doing is exercising free speech, just like everybody else. We pretty much have to put up with such things. After all, you and I both do believe in diversity and tolerance, don't we?

It does sound as though you have behaved quite respectful to these pamphleteers so far, and I admire you for it. Not to get all religion-y about it, but I tend to think that the Golden Rule really is, well, golden, and well worth following whenever possible.

Well, I hope this made some sense, and was also not too annoying. Trust me, my motives at least really are sincere.

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[HUMOR]Generally I try to convert them to Discordianism, despite not being Discordian.[/HUMOR]

/me casts gaze heavenward and hopes G-d has a sense of humor, too.

Okay, now, in all seriousness:

I have Christian relatives. They've done things that are probably borderline abusive or cruel in order to attempt to "save" me.

But they did it because they genuinely believed that it was the right thing to do. Not because they were cruel or sadistic, but because they thought it was necessary. Most of the time they're just annoying, but usually they're not malicious.

So, smile and nod, shrug it off, and find a way to laugh about it.

In the end I usually judge by actions and not assumptions of intent, but intent still has to be a mitigating factor when no harm was meant.
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[rant] I find it fun to argue back and point out impossibilities in their beliefs i.e.
Quote:
Well what about Noah's ark then? Two of every animal was on the boat, right? Even fish? What about ducks? Wood eating termites? What about the animals that could only survive by eating the other animals, like lions?
To which I got the reply from the world famous Sidmouth Christadelphians
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Yes, fish and ducks were on the boat. Noah built a little aquarium after being told to by God. He was also told to bring extra wood for the termites. God made the lions hibernate.
If you want a long life, don't argue, they won't back down. [/rant]
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FLmutant
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Phaedra wrote:
[HUMOR]Generally I try to convert them to Discordianism, despite not being Discordian.[/HUMOR]


Oh my gosh, Phaedra! I so don't make fun of your belief systems! I'm a card-carrying Discordian (I made the card myself, like all good Discordians do) and I can tell you that puzzle cards are way too direct for a Discordian's choice of conversion tools.

Rains of frogs, Philip K. Dick androids sitting on conference panels, replacing all the vacation request forms with incomprehensible gibberish and alternate reality games are the really hot Discordian trends this season.


Brian

PS: I'm not joking about the Philip K. Dick androids sitting on conference panels!
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Phaedra
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FLmutant wrote:
Phaedra wrote:
[HUMOR]Generally I try to convert them to Discordianism, despite not being Discordian.[/HUMOR]


Oh my gosh, Phaedra! I so don't make fun of your belief systems! I'm a card-carrying Discordian (I made the card myself, like all good Discordians do) and I can tell you that puzzle cards are way too direct for a Discordian's choice of conversion tools.

Rains of frogs, Philip K. Dick androids sitting on conference panels, replacing all the vacation request forms with incomprehensible gibberish and alternate reality games are the really hot Discordian trends this season.


Brian

PS: I'm not joking about the Philip K. Dick androids sitting on conference panels!


Brian, the reason I chose Discordianism was because from everything I have read, it seemed that a hallmark of the belief system was not taking anything, including itself, seriously.

My intent is not to mock it in any way. I just love the idea of responding to proselytizers who take everything, including themselves, far too seriously with something that takes nothing, including itself, seriously.

However, if such usage is indeed offensive, I'll be happy to stop using it and substitute worship of Elvis instead. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:26 pm
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Just do the Scientologists. They're too stupid to know you're making fun of them. FOR GOD'S SAKE PEOPLE, YOUR RELIGION IS BASED ON GIVING MONEY TO THE CULT FOUNDER!!! FOOLS!!!
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Let us sing an Erisian hymn:

Quote:
Onward Christian Soldiers,
Onward Buddhist Priests.
Onward, Fruits of Islam
Fight till you're deceased.
Fight your little battles,
Join in thickest fray;
For the Greater Glory,
of Discordia.
Yah, yah, yah,
Yah, yah, yah, yah.
Blfffffffffft!



Or perhaps even the battle hymn of the Eristocracy:

Quote:
Mine brain has meditated on the spinning of The Chao;
It is hovering o'er the table where the Chiefs of Staff are now
Gathered in discussion of the dropping of The Bomb;
Her Apple Corps is strong!

Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Her Apple Corps is stong!

She was not invited to the party that they held on Limbo Peak;
So She threw a Golden Apple, 'sted of turn'd t'other cheak!
O it cracked the Holy Punchbowl and it made the nectar leak;
Her Apple Corps is strong!

Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Her Apple Corps is stong!


Razz Razz

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Frankie wrote:

Or perhaps even the battle hymn of the Eristocracy:

Quote:
Mine brain has meditated on the spinning of The Chao;
It is hovering o'er the table where the Chiefs of Staff are now
Gathered in discussion of the dropping of The Bomb;
Her Apple Corps is strong!

Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Her Apple Corps is stong!

She was not invited to the party that they held on Limbo Peak;
So She threw a Golden Apple, 'sted of turn'd t'other cheak!
O it cracked the Holy Punchbowl and it made the nectar leak;
Her Apple Corps is strong!

Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Grand (and gory) Old Discordja!
Her Apple Corps is stong!


Razz Razz

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