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MageSteff
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http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2372

Refering to the MEMO:
TO: SW Regional Operatives
RE: Threat Level Escalation
VIA: DARPA SuperNet HCRD/Broadcast

MidKnight978 asked "Is anyone any closer to figuring out what this might be?"

I do have some thoughts:



DARPA: Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
http://www.darpa.mil/

Quote:
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)
is the central research and development organization for the Department of Defense (DoD). It manages and directs selected basic and applied research and development projects for DoD, and pursues research and technology where risk and payoff are both very high and where success may provide dramatic advances for traditional military roles and missions.


See also :
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,58909,00.html
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60453,00.html



Southwest Operational Region: generally the states of CA, AZ, NM, UT

SCP: Standard Communication Protocol
Threat Level Tertius: (Think DEFCON status for spies)

ECHELON:Intelligence/Surveilance Governmental Agency

What the momo is saying, boiled down to the bare essentials;

"Hey Guys we have a lot of spys out there, your phones and computers may be tapped, they may have bugs planted, and or other spy gear (directional microphones etc) that can intercept the normal lines of communication. Time to ENCRYPT everything."

[SPEC:] DARPA would be very interested in SPECTRUM. Imagine being able to go back and assasinate Castro as a child, put President Kenedy in an armored car, ground all flights in America on September 11 th, get Princess Diana a taxi cab. It could also mean removing people like Ghandi, Mohammed, Schindler, Gorbachev; all depending on which group controls the technology, and what they felt needed to happen.
Small changes in technology can also make a big difference. Allied Helicopters in Germany during WWII gave the allied forces to small advantage they needed in that theater. Imagine introducing transistor technology into one Country's arsenal 10, 20 or 30 years before it is discovered, allowing one side to have much lighter, smaller, and more accurate equipment. How would it have changed the balance of power, what would it have done to the cold war?

In a question: How can you decide? Who lives, who dies, who gets new technology sooner… Who gets the reins of Power?
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MageSteff
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 		Followup to DARPA memo SPEC
Here are some quotes: Which group would you like to have the reins of power?

http://leverleyeux.homestead.com/lever4.html

Quote:

"One-forth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body...We are in charge of God's selection process for the planet earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death..."
Barbara Marx Hubbard (futurist / strategist of Task Force Delta)
...

"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." --Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
...

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg
...

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insideous forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
...

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.."-- Bill Clinton USA Today--3-11-93, page 2a
"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)
...

"The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species."Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923
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"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992
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"Our overriding environmental challenge tonight is the worldwide problem of climate change, global warming, the gathering crisis that requires worldwide action." President William Clinton State of the Union Address 1998
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"'Protecting the Environment' is a ruse. The goal is the political and economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guise of preserving nature." J. H. Robbins
...

"The move toward controlling less and less pollution at greater and greater expense -- until you are spending everything to control nothing -- is one of the big water quality problems we are facing in the future." Ernest Rosenberg
...

"Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs." John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal
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". . . The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans." Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project
...

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing . . . This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run." Economist editorial
...

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" Maurice Strong, Head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro
...

"I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems." John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal
"The world has cancer, and the cancer is man." A. Gregg, Mankind at the Turning Point
...

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day." Dr. Jacques Cousteau
...

"People are the cause of all the problems; we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way as any." Charles Wurster, Environmental Defense Fund
...

"This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with health and safety." Sherry Neddick, Greenpeace
...

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund
...

"If you will give the idea a chance, you might agree that the extinction of homo sapiens would mean survival for millions, if not billions, of other earth-dwelling species." Wild Earth Magazine
...

"Among environmentalists sharing two or three beers, the notion is quite common that if only some calamity could wipe out the entire human races, other species might once again have a chance." Richard Conniff, Audubon Magazine
...

Good and evil are meaningless to things that have no souls.
Plato
...

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
...

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Albert Einstein
...

As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination. When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular.
Oscar Wilde


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 		Re: ECHELON
Regarding ECHELON, the following may be of interest:

Quote:
Echelon is perhaps the most powerful intelligence gathering organization in the world. Several credible reports suggest that this global electronic communications surveillance system presents an extreme threat to the privacy of people all over the world. According to these reports, ECHELON attempts to capture staggering volumes of satellite, microwave, cellular and fiber-optic traffic, including communications to and from North America. This vast quantity of voice and data communications are then processed through sophisticated filtering technologies.

This massive surveillance system apparently operates with little oversight. Moreover, the agencies that purportedly run ECHELON have provided few details as to the legal guidelines for the project. Because of this, there is no way of knowing if ECHELON is being used illegally to spy on private citizens.

http://www.echelonwatch.org/
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MageSteff
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 		CHESS TERMS
Here are two resource pages of Chess terms:

Chess Dictionary
and Glossary
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 		just a thought
Maybe we are going about this from the wrong angle. In my becoming more useful and more famous convo's with Reggie, he told me the government is not swayed by any color or piece. In other words, he says the government is a seperate entity. If this is true, perhaps the memo is saying we can ask someone in the government intelligence for a clue to work out this puzzle. The second Pad challange isn't just to define if we can be trusted, but who we can trust as well.
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MageSteff
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 		SPY VS SPY
SPY VS SPY

Governmental Surveillance Agencies
http://archive.aclu.org/echelonwatch/networks.html

US: ECHELON
RUSSIA: FSB (Federal'naya sluzhba bezopasnosti)
CHINA: Ministry of State Security
GERMANY: Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND)
ISRAEL: Mossad, Shin Bet, and Aman. Mossad handles surveillance outside of Israel, while Shin Bet conducts surveillance inside the country. Aman is charged with military intelligence.
FRANCE: 2 subdivisions of France's SGDN (Secretariat General de la Defense Nationale), the DRM (Direction du Renseignement Militaire) and the DGSE (Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure) <that are equivalent to ECHELON>
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 		My talks with Reggie make me think it may just be a puzzle. He has said that Caretaker dosen't want him (Reggie) helping us with the puzzle, and that he hasn't figured it out himself yet either.

eh, at least PAD isn't a backwards square root of 64.... Rolling Eyes

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 		Re: SPY VS SPY
Magesteff wrote:
SPY VS SPY

Governmental Surveillance Agencies
http://archive.aclu.org/echelonwatch/networks.html

US: ECHELON
RUSSIA: FSB (Federal'naya sluzhba bezopasnosti)
CHINA: Ministry of State Security
GERMANY: Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND)
ISRAEL: Mossad, Shin Bet, and Aman. Mossad handles surveillance outside of Israel, while Shin Bet conducts surveillance inside the country. Aman is charged with military intelligence.
FRANCE: 2 subdivisions of France's SGDN (Secretariat General de la Defense Nationale), the DRM (Direction du Renseignement Militaire) and the DGSE (Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure) <that are equivalent to ECHELON>


Don't forget Canada's CSIS=Canadian Security Intelligence Service

Yay Canada...woo hoo!

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aiesha_anonymous
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 		Re: SPY VS SPY
sauceykat wrote:
Magesteff wrote:
SPY VS SPY

Governmental Surveillance Agencies
http://archive.aclu.org/echelonwatch/networks.html

US: ECHELON
RUSSIA: FSB (Federal'naya sluzhba bezopasnosti)
CHINA: Ministry of State Security
GERMANY: Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND)
ISRAEL: Mossad, Shin Bet, and Aman. Mossad handles surveillance outside of Israel, while Shin Bet conducts surveillance inside the country. Aman is charged with military intelligence.
FRANCE: 2 subdivisions of France's SGDN (Secretariat General de la Defense Nationale), the DRM (Direction du Renseignement Militaire) and the DGSE (Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure) <that are equivalent to ECHELON>


Don't forget Canada's CSIS=Canadian Security Intelligence Service

Yay Canada...woo hoo!


and ASIS (australian secret intelligence service) and ASIO (australian security and intelligence organisation) ... from what i know ASIO is the domestic one and ASIS ... well they're the real spies

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 		Where do we go from here...
Reid Miles asked in the 2nd Email puzzle thread, "Where do we go from here?"

Personally that thought scares me.

Tunguska. June 30, 1908
Quote:
The site was centered on 101 E by 62 N near the Stony Tunguska River 92 kilometers north of Vanavara. The object shattered at an altitude of 7.6 kilometers and became the largest known such cosmic event in the history of civilization.


Norris Canyon Blowdown in Yellowstone National Forest 1984
Quote:

Norris-Canyon Blowdown

This is a 22-mile swath of lodgepole pine blown down by wind-shear action in 1984. It was then burned during the North Fork fire in 1988. This is the site where a famous news anchor said, "Tonight, this is all that's left of Yellowstone." A wayside exhibit there tells the story.


Mt. St. Helens, an otherwise quiet and DORMANT volcano suddenly springing to life. May 18, 1980 Eruption.

The World Series Earthquake. October 17, 1989

Three Mile Island. March 28, 1979

Chernobyl. April 26, 1986


I think I will need to look at this a good long time and try to plan more than Jake's eight steps ahead. Too bad I am not that good a player. Start the timeclock, I will be thinking about this a while before making any more moves.
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 		Speaking of...
Magesteff,
If you want frightening current events - check out this one:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/091103Gurney/091103gurney.html

They've closed a piece of Yellowstone Park, and geologists think it may be a SUPERvolcano that could create a new Ice Age. Cheerful news.

/me apologizes for doomsaying digression

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MageSteff
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 		Reggie the code master
Reference: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17637#17637
Geist wrote:
Here is part of my talk with him. Mostly small talk but learn a bit more about him staying there.

geist_99: would you like me to send you the chess programme then?
xover222: sure!
geist_99: Ive not played it in years. Its ok but the computer never learns any new moves
xover222: good.
xover222: it will be fun to watch it play its patterns.
geist_99: do you like patterns?
xover222: i can find patterns in just about anything if i look long enough..

At the moment I thinking hes sort of like rain man with able to see patterns, able to write codes when he was young and been put there.



It is called Autistic Savant.

Quote:
"Autistic savant" refers to individuals with autism who have extraordinary skills not exhibited by most persons.
...
There are many forms of savant abilities. The most common forms involve mathematical calculations, memory feats, artistic abilities, and musical abilities... Others can multiply and divide large numbers in their head and can also calculate square roots and prime numbers without much hesitation.
...
Dr. Rimland speculates that these individuals have incredible concentration abilities and can focus their complete attention to a specific area of interest.


Looks like Reggie has the gift with patterns such as code.
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 		Is it safe to say that red knight used to work at the cia? He said that he used to have a lot more power. The note that was given to meg with the '29' on it was also cia letterhead.

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Bryan wrote:
Is it safe to say that red knight used to work at the cia? He said that he used to have a lot more power. The note that was given to meg with the '29' on it was also cia letterhead.


Or, he still does work at the CIA, and he just can't act as overtly as he once did...

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MageSteff
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Bryan wrote:
Is it safe to say that red knight used to work at the cia? He said that he used to have a lot more power. The note that was given to meg with the '29' on it was also cia letterhead.


Hmmm... Possible, but we don't have anything concrete to base that on unless he lets something slip. He could just as easily work for the NSA, or be a rougue ECHELON agent, that does not like what his superiors are up to.
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