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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
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Omnie
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 		What Pluvius said. (heh, sorry, dorkmaster!) To add to it:
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Dumbledore makes a point of the fact that he considers himself expendable. He knows he won't be the one to kill Voldemort, or even really hurt him anymore. They keep repeating over and over how his reflexes are going with age. He passes his knowledge on to Harry, so that's preserved. His death serves one final very important purpose - it makes Snape into the greatest Death Eater ever. I mean, dude, he killed Dumbledore, the one person V ever feared. V will favor Snape now, allow him closer than anyone else. I think it's all part of the plan. Snape doesn't hesitate to make the unbreakable vow because he knows he'll have to kill Dumbledore anyway. The man's very deeply undercover, and we've been told repeatedly how good he is at the mind-blocking stuff.

Also keep in mind that we really don't know what made Dumbledore trust Snape so much in the first place. The reasons given in this book (he felt bad about the death of the Potters?) were terribly weak - even the characters thought so. After all the focus on this throughout the series, I just can't see Snape turning out to be entirely evil. He's not perfectly good, but...well, I like how Pluvius put it. He's already damned, so now he can use that for the side of good. Redemption and whatnot.
In my opinion. Mr. Green

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Dorkmaster
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 		I'll be the first to admit I'm going on gut more than fact (or reader-fact, not plot-fact)... But I still think

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This was the thing that proves Snape was double-timing Dumbledore. I know I've got only plot proof, not suspicious, hoping reader proof, but ya know what I mean. And the Malfoy thing, I don't have much proof for that either. In fact y'all are probably more right. But from a story standpoint, now Harry has three foes, each more cunning and difficult to defeat: Malfoy, who has had it coming for a while (the guilty pleasure enemy), Snape, who was never 100% clear-cut (the strong, motive-based enemy), and Voldemort (the "end-boss" enemy). I don't know where J.K will take the story, but I feel this is the coolest and most fun to read (stronger) choice. But that's also TOTALLY and 100% my own opinion, and ymmv, of course!

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Dumbledore is dead, and he better stay that way! No resurrection nor Gandalf the White nor jedi-ghost-like immortality tricks allowed. Rowling's cosmology has made it pretty clear that dead people are supposed to stay dead - Voldemort only kept going because he used some of the darkest magic around. Dumbledore suggests that such an existence isn't worth living. And I agree with the assessment that Rowling made it clear that Dumbledore really was dead (with the breaking of the spell). The Phoenix flying away at the end is pretty imagery, which I'm reading as a metaphor for the soul.

And I read the opening chapter and the murder as clear indications that Snape was actually a bad guy. However, I agree that he's a redemptive character, so we may see him (and possibly Draco after his little chat with Dumbledore) turn good again -- but it won't be because he was good all along, it will be redemptive. It would do Harry some good to finally get over his hatred of Snape and help him turn good anyway.

And I'm not sure about the alternate plot-line through Neville's eyes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Rowling _ever_ writing anything through someone other than Harry's eyes, so I doubt she'd stray from that now. (Snape's chapter was the one exception, which only serves to heighten the 'truth' of his betrayal) EDIT: also excepting the other introductory voldemort-based chapters, which have always sounded like Prologues anyway, not as part of the main narrative


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Pluvius
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Dorkmaster wrote:
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But from a story standpoint, now Harry has three foes, each more cunning and difficult to defeat: Malfoy, who has had it coming for a while (the guilty pleasure enemy), Snape, who was never 100% clear-cut (the strong, motive-based enemy), and Voldemort (the "end-boss" enemy). I don't know where J.K will take the story, but I feel this is the coolest and most fun to read (stronger) choice. But that's also TOTALLY and 100% my own opinion, and ymmv, of course!


Yes. I personally think that that would be a huge bore to read, and would ruin the series for me.

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I don't think the idea that Snape regrets the Potters' deaths is wholly without merit. For one thing, there's the oft-noted fact that Snape owed James Potter a debt for saving his life. And I also think it's entirely possible that Snape had a crush on Lily Evans. Yeah, yeah, I know he called her a Mudblood, but haven't any of you ever heard the line, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"?


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addlepated
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 		You calling Snape a lady??? Laughing

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InSoM
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 		i thought it would be interesting if
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voldermort turned the dead dumbledore into an Inferi and used him to go after Harry. Then potter would be torn between believing that he may be able to save dumbledore and destroying his old mentor, roll on the tears


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miss_seph
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 		OOOOH I so never thought of that Insom - Nice work!

The main reason I've come up with what I've said is that Rowling never seems to mention anything 'for the heck of it' - anything that gets mentioned seems to crop up as useful information later on in the same book, or the next book.

For instance, why did we read about
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the priminister's interaction with the ministry of magic
in the first chapter? They've made it clear that it happens quite frequently, yet we've never been privvy to it before. I imagine that Harry will have more to do with
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the English Government
in his coming year.
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addlepated
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 		Allo allo, wot's all this, then?

Spoilery stuffs:

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=22
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=84
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=104

And about the PM scene:
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=6

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miss_seph
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 		WOAAAAH what in the HEck!@?

/me settles in for a lengthy search...
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