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[Mountain Girl88]

What did she say? I'm behind a firewall at school.

Mountain Girl

Blessings Abound!

[Mountain Girl88]

Well, poop. Poop on the double post, and poop on my inquisitive nature not being able to wait until Sunday.

[TheJackalope]

O.k. I'm still working on the program, in between working on my programs for work. I've got most of the program in place but it keeps crashing when it gets to the permutation "bir". I'm going to have to take some time to debug it so it might be a while. Wish me luck.

Edit: Found my problem. Now I'm letting it run. It's going to print out all words of ten letters or less that have the Code 1790 or 1970. See you in a few hours.

Edit #2: Well crap. Aparantly I was really right. Just over the first few seconds of running and I'm at well over 1000 "words" that make 1790 or 1970. I'm going to have to change it so that it writes them to a file. More wasted time .

[angel2k10]

i think some1 said this b4 but it's all getting very "da vinci code" like. freemasons, proiry of sion, etc etc .

[Dragonfly]

Jackalope, you're my hero! I'm impressed that people here have the know-how to put together a program to find all the combos. I'd just twiddle my thumbs if someone asked me to do something like that. But if you asked me to edit a hundred-page document, well then, I'm your gal!

[paperchaser]

i've just found this 'game' today and i'm hooked already!! I started to google a few combinations and came up with this

"at the end of the year 1790 Paine finished the last page of reflections at the red lion islington"

http://www.ecn.bris.ac.uk/het/paine/197%20-274%20-%20Father%20of%20Republics.rtf

and as the number keeps changing its reflection maybe this has someting to do with it.

also in the year of 1790 paine went to paris where he was presented with the key to the old fortress

http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting/thomaspainetwo.html

these are probably no use but i thought i'd add my two cents worth.

[TheJackalope]

O.k. quick update, on what's going on with the program. I had to change it so that it was only printing out the 1790's first. The program has been running for the last 30-60 minutes, and I already have 15,000k of data in it.

so 15,000Kb * 1024B/Kb = 15360000 bytes

15,360,00b / ( 8b * 18[Characters per line] ) = Over 100,000 "words"

Edit: In the time it took to figure that out. I'm now at 30,000Kb or Over 200,000 words. Fun.

[Dragonfly]

Important facts from Thomas Paine's Origins of Free-masonry:

-- Masons are organized into three degrees: 1st, The Entered Apprentice. 2nd, The Fellow Craft. 3rd, The Master Mason. The Entered Apprentice knows little more than the use of signs and tokens, and certain steps and words by which Masons can recognize each other. The Fellow Craft knows little more than the Entered Apprentice. The Master Mason knows the remains of the origin of Masonry is preserved and concealed.
-- Masonry claims divine communication from the Creator, in a manner different from, and unconnected with the Bible.
-- Masonry is derived from and is the remains of the Druid religion.
Christianity and Masonry both are derived from the worship of the Sun (Christians, the worship of the Son (pun on sun) of God and Masons the literal worship of the sun as a visible symbol of the Creator).
-- Many of the ceremonies of the Druids are preserved in their original state. The sun's image is the great emblematical ornament of Masonic Lodges and Masonic dresses. It is the central figure on their aprons, and they wear it also pendant on the breast in their lodges, and in their processions. It has the figure of a man, as at the head of the sun, as Christ is always represented.
-- The worship of the Sun as the great visible agent of a great invisible first cause, "Time without limits," (sounds like Islington, eh?) spread itself over Asia and Africa, to Greece and Rome, through all ancient Gaul, and into Britain and Ireland.
-- The Druids, when they committed anything to writing, used the Greek alphabet, and the most perfect remains of the Druids' rites and ceremonies are preserved in the customs and ceremonies of the Masons.
-- The Masons follow the movement of the sun, and the signs of the zodiac decorate their halls.
-- They were quiet about their sun worship to avoid persecution from Catholic and other christian religions.
-- Their halls are associated east to west to follow the path of the sun. They believe that the sun cannot shine its rays from the north.
-- The most important holiday is St. John's Day (they use St. John to disguise the real reason for the holiday). They celebrate Mid-Summer's Day, the summer solstice on June 24.
-- Some speculate that Masonry was derived from the Jews and Solomon's Temple, but Paine believed it has a firmer base with the Druids.
-- Masons count their years by the year of creation, not AD or BC.
"Druid" means "wise man."

[angel2k10]

[quote="Dragonfly"]Important facts from Thomas Paine's Origins of Free-masonry:


Christianity and Masonry both are derived from the worship of the Sun (Christians, the worship of the Son (pun on sun) of God and Masons the literal worship of the sun as a visible symbol of the Creator).
-- Many of the ceremonies of the Druids are preserved in their original state. The sun's image is the great emblematical ornament of Masonic Lodges and Masonic dresses. It is the central figure on their aprons, and they wear it also pendant on the breast in their lodges, and in their processions. It has the figure of a man, as at the head of the sun, as Christ is always represented.
-- The worship of the Sun as the great visible agent of a great invisible first cause, "Time without limits," (sounds like Islington, eh?) spread itself over Asia and Africa, to Greece and Rome, through all ancient Gaul, and into Britain and Ireland.
--

th sun....... sunday...... connection ???

[Law of Five]

Quick, guilty, lunch-time post:

Obviously there's some debate over whether Paine was a Mason or not.

This from the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon at http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/paine_t.html.

British-American author of The Age of Reason, Common Sense, Rights of Man and Crisis, Thomas Paine has not been proven to have been a Freemason. A brilliant pamphleteer, his theory about the origins of Freemasonry is only of interest as an historical curiosity.

and this from here:http://ezinearticles.com/?Thomas-Paine-/-Jefferson&id=61007

Whatever beliefs individual Freemasons today might hold, there is no doubting that from the start Deists and other free-thinkers had a major influence on Freemasonry in Britain, in France, and in North America; among the great luminaries of American history, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were all Deists, although of these three, only Franklin is known to have been a Freemason." (from: Secret Societies, by David V. Barrett, esoteric expert of British Intelligence, Blandford, London, 1997 & 1999, paperback edition, pgs. 109-110.)

and this from the Preface to Paine's work, the Origin of Free Masonry: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/origin_free-masonry.html

NOTE: This essay appeared in New York, 1818, with an anonymous preface of which I quote the opening paragraph: "This tract is a chapter belonging to the Third Part of the "Age of Reason," as will be seen by the references made in it to preceding articles, as forming part of the same work. It was culled from the writings of Mr. Paine after his death, and published in a mutilated state by Mrs. Bonneville, his executrix. Passages having a reference to the Christian religion she erased, with a view no doubt of accommodating the work to the prejudices of bigotry. These, however, have been restored from the original manuscript, except a few lines which were rendered illegible." Madame Bonneville published this fragment in New York, 1810 (with the omissions I point out) as a pamphlet. -- Dr. Robinet (Danton- Emigre, p. 7) says erroneously that Paine was a Freemason; but an eminent member of that Fraternity in London, Mr. George Briggs, after reading this essay, which I submitted to him, tells me that "his general outline, remarks, and comments, are fairly true." Paine's intimacy in Paris with Nicolas de Bonneville and Charles Frangois Dupuis, whose writings are replete with masonic speculations, sufficiently explain his interest in the subject. -- Editor.]

Even so, I suspect we could argue this point until the cows come home, with no resolution, as it's a moot point whether one individual could or should ever reveal him or herself as a Mason, and the point remains moot several centuries post-mortem.

Personally, I don't think we'll get the keyword from the Masons or the Kaballah, or by combing through a list of 200,000 words. I think I might have said of the Kaballah last night "that way lies madness".

Yours rationally

Law of Five

[TheJackalope]

O.k. Now I'm mad. I stopped the program because the file was getting to big. I'm going to refine it so that it only prints out words that have at least one vowel. I tried looking through and there were too many wvxc's and the like to make it remotely worth my time. I'll update when I have more.

Edit: O.k. this version of the program has sunk my spirits. I think I have a better idea on how to approach this. I'm not going to bore you with details until I'm certain it will work. AWAY!

[Law of Five]

Just another quick observation. Islington/Toby presumably has a life much like the rest of us and keeping ahead of the changes on the site must be fairly time-consuming. If we are looking at 4 or 5 days with no updates 'til Sunday, maybe he's taking a little break, or is sick, or else is getting the next iteration of the site ready for the period following Book Zero's discovery. We can spin our wheels for the next few days and recharge our mental batteries... Unless, of course there's an update tonight...

Law of Five

[hlpr]

[Rogi Ocnorb]

I gotta agree with Law, here.
After OrKid's post of today, it seems pretty clear any further work on the key decipherment is likely unnecessary.
I could use the break, but will probably end up doing something for this conversion, just 'cause it's interesting.
Jack took my idea to whole 'nother level, though.
Very creative thinking!

[TheJackalope]

And now I'm back (From outer space...), with more news for all you Triskaholics out there. Using a crossword puzzle maker's word list of over 330,000 english words, then running them through MG's values I have come up with far fewer words than simply trying all possible combinations of letters that would add up to 1790 or 1970. Here they are, and yes I have not tried them as the key, and no they do not work. But I thought I'd post them anyway since it took me so long to make them.

In the 1790 category -
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adventurousnesses
voluntaryist

In the 1970 category -
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jowly
overwrote
parvovirus
pervasivenesses
pizazzy
whirlwind
windflaws

There you go, try them at you whim.