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cassandra
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My current spec is that the compound or what have you is surrounded by some sort of defensive (EM/plasma?) shield, or perhaps even, er, a sinister "scalar" field Not necessarily linked, but I think that Brede's severe injury has to do with his key's message being sent (perhaps he kept his key in his shorts pocket?).
Or perhaps they just ran into some men in black.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:25 am
ryandrew
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Maybe Sente did it to Brede to make sure he was true to Scarlett.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:43 am
Jakeo
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I like Cassandra's spec. I suspect that Brede's leg got mushed up bad because his key exploded in his pocket.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:54 am
Arashi
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Er - do you have any how much energy would have to be in that explosion to cause someone's leg to be "shattered". Unless the key is a miniature nuclear device...
I do like Cassandra's spec too though - there has to be defenses - I mean what good sinister ruined city doesn't have any?!
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:01 pm
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Um, I dunno, I was thinking a grenade would shatter someones leg quite admirably given half the chance. And, if my Halo isn't leading me astray here, pineapples aren't all that big.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:03 pm
Arashi
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Key is a handheld device - a convenience.
A) why would a refined household convenience explode - especially in a technologically superior civilization
B) Why on earth would there be anything explosive in a key - a household convenience
C) If it had the explosive force of a grenade, he would be dead
Edit: Im not trying to be snippy, just trying to see where the convo goes
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:06 pm
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A- even batteries can explode under the right circumstances (I assume here that they use batteries, not broadcast power)
B- see A
C- possibly some kind of concussion device.
Then again, it could've been a landmine-type explosive set to detonate when certain frequencies are broadcast in it's vicinity.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:14 pm
Arashi
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But that still begs the question - do you carry something in your pocket that would explode and shatter your leg? It doesn't make sense - I mean I realize that household items can explode, hell my microwave exploded - but the key isnt the side of a microwave and sure as hell doesn't have the internal circuitry and hardware a microwave does.
I would however like to point out (obviously trout-ed-ly so) that Brede's key was in the same condition as Monica's - twisting the end off seems like a poor solution to disposing of a key... so WHO keeps doing it?!
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:17 pm
cassandra
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Arashi wrote:
I would however like to point out (obviously trout-ed-ly so) that Brede's key was in the same condition as Monica's - twisting the end off seems like a poor solution to disposing of a key... so WHO keeps doing it?!
Allain's key, actually I suspect that keys merely can be damaged this way when two people are both pulling on them. However, I think that it would require someone using a ton of force, hence V and Allain (who may or may not be the same person, but I don't believe they are).
More spec: Allain may or may not be a part of the Third Power in terms of beliefs, but he is one of them in terms of construction (or perhaps a first-generation offspring, if that's possible?). Third Power people are probably mixes of AI/genetically engineered humans, who perhaps just age at a rate incredibly slower than modern Perplexians. During the war, we know that the advanced invading culture forced captured women into marriage and childbearing, so perhaps that's a part of it as well. They are supposed to be "fairytale monsters" who died out, after all. I suspect that Allain is trying to discover the truth behind his identity--or perhaps Allain already knows, and once he 'discovered' Scarlett knew, he had to bring her along to be able to silence her, whereas Tom (I like that acronym) still reflects Allain's 'real' human aging and suffering, and wants the truth to be known. Anything on Allain's key, of course, would be incriminating.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:00 pm
BrianEnigma
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[Oops, I posted this in the wrong thread. Here it is in the correct place.]
I thought Brede's key was the one that monitored his health, detected his leg had been crushed, and automatically phoned the authorities? If that is the case, you have a chicken-and-egg problem. If his key exploded, causing the injury, how could it have detected the injury?
To me, it sounds like something happened at Videnbourg, whether it was an accident (a machine, statue, or Indiana Jones style stone door from the ceiling dropped on his leg) or on purpose (someone in their party or already at the city/facility/whatever had an aluminum baseball bat and the will to use it.)
If I knew that my cellphone had the potential to explode and maim, I would probably stop carrying it on my belt. Or at all. And potential explosions are hard to cover up--think of all the phone and laptop batteries that had to be recalled just because one or two actually caught fire or exploded.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:05 pm
step
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sometimes I wonder about how you folks come up with spec...
Scarlett wrote:
Brede's leg has been smashed. His right leg. They say it looks like someone hit it, repeatedly, with something large and heavy but that couldn't have happened - none of us would have hit him, none of us even had anything of the right shape or size.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:05 pm
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Thank you step... now can we all move slowly and carefully away from the discussion of explosives before it detonates again? (my apologies for the bad pun)
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:08 pm
WolverineFan
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cassandra wrote:
During the war, we know that the advanced invading culture forced captured women into marriage and childbearing, so perhaps that's a part of it as well.
When/where did we learn this? I must have missed it... Thanks!
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:01 pm
European Chris
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I'm not sure we do know this for sure, however it certainly has been strongly hinted at.
http://www.perplexcitysentinel.com/archives/2005/09/iona_interviews_3.html
Anja Marlowe wrote:
My name is Anja, after all. And I have a personal connection to those people. Our family tradition holds that one of my great-great-and-on-grandmothers was captured and forced into marriage with a military officer. The city has still failed to lay to rest the ghosts of Ilja and Anja."
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:34 pm
cassandra
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Okay, perhaps "know" is a strong term. The interview with Anja Marlowe prints it as a belief:
Quote:
" But it's no secret that I have an interest in that period of history [the war]. My name is Anja, after all. And I have a personal connection to those people. Our family tradition holds that one of my great-great-and-on-grandmothers was captured and forced into marriage with a military officer. The city has still failed to lay to rest the ghosts of Ilja and Anja."
Marlowe refers to the ghost-children from the fable, wandering the world alone but for each other. The story first makes an appearance in 35BC, and anthropologists have suggested that they were a resonant image of their time. Marlowe, though, considers them an icon of the city's guilty conscience."
*EDIT: beaten to it, I see.
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:40 pm
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