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[SPEC] - The gun, the characters, the whole overall story
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cyberinsekt
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I've just been reading Phaedra's storyline guide - excellent work, btw - and noticed that there's one clue to future events I'd never noticed before. From the message on Lucy's answerphone:

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You went to meet your cousin Robert. Your cousin Robert is dead. I would like to discuss this event. I've known your family for a long time, Miss Brown, and I am dismayed by what happened. There is a certain lack of substance in what you told the police. I am going to set up a very private meeting, where I will expect you to do a much better job of explaining things to me.

LUCKY'S VOICE: Good, you met The Gambler. You know something about The Preacher too. Now it's time to find the rest, because like a damn sentimental fool, I gave them the precious thing and one of them knows what it's worth. One of them is going to kill her. You want to look me up, try putting theDealer in the user search box. I'll give you one last piece of advice...

The emphasis is mine. It looks as if the climax to LCP will be at a live event, trying to stop an attempt on Lucy's life.

There's a narrower reading of Lucky's words, and a more pessimistic one. From the context, and with hindsight, we can be pretty sure that The Gambler was Maurice Pikar. "One of them" might refer to only Maurice and Clay. There's enough of a hint in their backstories to suggest that Clay slept with Lucy when she was sixteen, and it was this incident that lost him his job as her teacher. It looks as if poor, love-struck Clay might be the one who will eventually try to kill her. Sad

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xI1dr
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Well there seems to be a whole confederacy subplot

With Lothar Barbel, (the confederate flag behind his name) and General Stuart's gun, the conneciton is definitely there.

BTW, General Stuart is a Brown.

Lothar is a major Anti-Semite. Does that have something to do with Maurice's death? Will there be a showdown between the two soldiers, Simon and Lothar?

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Of course, the B in JEB is BROWN! As in James Ewell Brown. I found an Harper's Bazaar article from the time of his death. It specifies other bequests, his sword and horses, his golden spurs , made on his deathbed.
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yanka
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Given Wednesday's updates, I have lots of confusion and three questions:

Why are the Big Hat and fish00k the only ones to have used the phrase "new sheriff in town" (linky, linky)? Are they the same person? fish00k proclaimed himself the "new sheriff" on Sept. 21 (I think), so... yeah, this is confusing.

Might Lothar be the Buyer? Robert had his phone number, and, from Lothar's writing, it seems he might be interested in Civil War weapons, etc. Plus there is that curious resemblance of Maurice... And that Old Man in Lucy's phone call doesn't really sound like Maurice, but sounds old enough to be him (or Lothar).

Finally, I'm really baffled as to how the Gun exchanged hands around 1940s. J.E.B. Stuart was a Brown, and last night Lucky confirmed that he was "kin" - so it makes sense that the Gun would have just been handed down the Brown's male side of the family tree until it got to Lucky. But then why does Lucky say that he got it "a long time ago, back in [his] army days, just after it killed a man"? I don't think I actually expect an answer to this question, but it's just... curious, hm.
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Yanka:

1. I don't think that the use of the phrase "new sheriff" is important. They aren't the same person. The Big Hat is the crooked cop who is the inside guy for the gang. Now that McPherson killed Harry, he has taken over Harry's place as the lead inside guy for Mi Casa. I think that McPherson was inside for Mi Casa all along and decided to kill Harry because there could only be one cop inside the gang.

2. Yes, I think Lothar is the buyer, or the Buyer's contact, that Robert was in touch with. I also think he will turn out to have connections all over the game. He has McPherson and through McPherson, the Mi Casa gang and Kerry. He also has a link to Vaquero. I don't know if he is connected with Tony's gang yet.

3. No freaking clue.

And I will add what I posted above - I think Johnny is an undercover FBI cop in the Mi Casa gang, investigating them and working with Rojas. (That is pure spec.) I think that Kerry will either disappear for a while or maybe be killed by McPherson. Not sure about them. Smile
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rose
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Another idea. I just remember Philip Kim, the cop on Maurice's payroll.

You think that he is smart enough to figure out that Maurice's death had something to do with the death of Robert Brown? Could he be "keeping an eye" on Lucy? She was the only witness to Robert's death.

I would think any cop --or person--involved or aware of Maurice's interest in Robert and the gun would be paying attention to Lucy and these killings at this point.
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Rather than start a new thread for this SPEC:

thedealer wrote:
That's the story, too, of how the Gun came to me, passing from the hand of a Half-Breed Johnnie Whitecloud, to a Killer, to me, on its way to Lucy Brown. Where it was, and who it killed, before it ever got to the War-well, that's a story for next time.



So do you think that Lucky's line about where the gun came from means our next leap will be back into the history of Johnnie Whitecloud's family? And what era? I assume we are heading for the Wild West (where GUN is set), but will there be another stop along the way?
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I'm not so sure we'll be time traveling anymore. There seems to be enough going on in the present to keep us occupied, and unless the story is from Lucky's childhood I don't see how he could show it to us.

My personal spec is that the story of the gun pre-war will be told in Gun. Possibly involving an ancestor of Whitecloud, which is an Awfully native American sounding name.
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aliendial wrote:
Rather than start a new thread for this SPEC:

thedealer wrote:
That's the story, too, of how the Gun came to me, passing from the hand of a Half-Breed Johnnie Whitecloud, to a Killer, to me, on its way to Lucy Brown. Where it was, and who it killed, before it ever got to the War-well, that's a story for next time.



So do you think that Lucky's line about where the gun came from means our next leap will be back into the history of Johnnie Whitecloud's family? And what era? I assume we are heading for the Wild West (where GUN is set), but will there be another stop along the way?


Hard to say, but it would seem so, considering the spacing of the live events. (Assuming live events indicate a time shift)
We jumped back 60 years for this last time, but Johnny was most likely in his 20s when he died, so that jump might be about 20 years to 1925, maybe less. Will the jumps follow the shifts in ownership of the gun? I guess we tune in Saturday to find out.

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johnny5 wrote:
aliendial wrote:
Rather than start a new thread for this SPEC:

thedealer wrote:
That's the story, too, of how the Gun came to me, passing from the hand of a Half-Breed Johnnie Whitecloud, to a Killer, to me, on its way to Lucy Brown. Where it was, and who it killed, before it ever got to the War-well, that's a story for next time.



So do you think that Lucky's line about where the gun came from means our next leap will be back into the history of Johnnie Whitecloud's family? And what era? I assume we are heading for the Wild West (where GUN is set), but will there be another stop along the way?


Hard to say, but it would seem so, considering the spacing of the live events. (Assuming live events indicate a time shift)
We jumped back 60 years for this last time, but Johnny was most likely in his 20s when he died, so that jump might be about 20 years to 1925, maybe less. Will the jumps follow the shifts in ownership of the gun? I guess we tune in Saturday to find out.

yes, i think EVENTUALLY we'll get to the wild west, but there so much more along the way
i'm guessing the roaring 20's with bootlegging gangsters and rum-runners under the shadow of prohibition will be next
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Johnnie Whitecloud only got the Gun from a soldier from Nebraska who was killed by a sniiper in WWII. I don't know how much either Johnny's family history or the Nebraska guys family history will be relevant.

We also may have to make a leap back to the end of the Civil War to see what happens to the Gun when JEB Stuart dies. And where that pesky Lothar got an interest in having it.
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I'd edit my spec but it's been quoted too many times. Right you are, Rose, the gun came to the halfbreed from an anonymous Nebraska soldier. So we probably will not be wandering into Johnnie's family history. Perhaps we'll step into the Nebraska family history. Maybe make a jump to another previous owner (I love the roaring 20's idea). Or maybe a sideways twist even WE cannot anticipate *throwing down gauntlet*.

But yeah, at some point I assume we make the connection with JEB Stewart and get the gun to the Wild West.
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I spec'd at a poker table a couple nights ago that I fully expect to be back in the Civil War era after the Atlanta cemetery event.
We probably won't go back to the future (current time) until Los Angeles (where we started).
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yes, I was up all night and my brain is making curliques

More spec -- but Arana did ask-- at least i interpret it that way.

1. The slip for the Colt at the pawn shop does not specify the "presented to JEB Stewart" inscription. ( Does it seem odd to anyone else that none of our characters bothered to mention that inscription before?) The imprecise description means it would be easy to switch the Colt with a cheap copy -something the pawn shop owner hinted at already. So we could end up with a real Colt and a fake one - just to keep the story simple.

2. This one has been bothering me for a while: Why did the Buyer insist that Robert be killed and Lucy be kidnapped to some horrible fate? Why kill for the Colt when you could just buy it? (And why use such a crazy elaborate set-up at the cemetery? Maybe because the Buyer is a crazy guy.)

I think that the Buyer may truly hate Lucky and want to harm his family. No idea why or what happened between them. And no idea why the Buyer didn't try to get it from Lucky before Lucky died.

Maybe he did try to buy it and Lucky refused. But if the Buyer was willing to kill Robert for the Colt, why not kill Lucky for it? Was it hidden? If it was so dangerous that Lucky had to hide it, why would Lucky give it to Lucy? Why not just give her some money and the stopwatch and give the Colt to a museum? (by the way, robert made it sound like the Colt was in plain site most of the time.)

So, my conclusion is that the Buyer has a very powerful, very personal reason for wanting the Colt. A reason more personal than just it was owned by a Civil War general he venerates.

3. Johnny Deuces took the Colt but that doesn't mean Lucy is safe from harm. Because Johnny Deuces is hiding the Colt, the rest of the world will assume that Lucy-- or Clay (there are pictures that show him on the scene, the ones that Victor took and probably has copies of in the safety deposit box) --still has the Colt. So who will show up next?
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Re: yes, I was up all night and my brain is making curliques

rose wrote:
Maybe he did try to buy it and Lucky refused. But if the Buyer was willing to kill Robert for the Colt, why not kill Lucky for it?

Do we know how Lucky died?
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