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[META] The Metacortechs ARG
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Omnie
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niobexrev wrote:
Nyght_Shyft wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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How do you know this?

And why are some people so intent on revealing what's behind the curtain? I'd rather just play.


Because if the wrong people are behind this, then this is a load of crap. If the Metacortex puzzle doesn't fall in the same spinoff bag with "Enter the Matrix", the Comics and a couple short stories, and the Animatrix... If it turns out the this puzzle is started by some ameteur super Matrix fan who knows a lot about computers (and therefore we're destined to find a cheesy punchline to the joke) I think the majority of the players here will be disappointed. I mean there are whole websites and forums (this one included) that are dedicated to solving the puzzle. We'd feel like a bunch of dumbasses who wasted our time if this turned out to be a hoax.

As a different answer to your question, isn't that part of what we're trying to do here? Find out what's behind the curtain?


Yeah, you guys just completely proved my point with that exchange. Nyght_Shyft, I'm going to assume from the high post count, is an ARGer. He/she wants to play the game, no matter who it's made by, just like all the other ARG games that have been played. All that matters is the quality of the game. Am I too far off with that?

niobexrev, I think I can safely assume is a Matrix fan who drifted in here from a Matrix board (yes, like me). He/she (sorry, it always annoys me when people assign me the wrong gender) wants to play the game because it may be official, so it may be connected with Revolutions, or TMO, or both... if it's not connected officially, then the game is pointless. I don't think I'm too far off with that one.

See the two completely different perspectives? The conflicts that have been on this board today stem from neither group really understanding the other, I think. Matrix fans want to know about the PMs because the hidden layer (what's behind the curtain) is our primary motivation. The ARGers don't, because all that matters is the game. I hope you guys have a great time (sincerely). Meanwhile, I am off to go do some work that I'm severely behind on.

And thanks, jamesi. Smile

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Nyght_Shyft
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s2mega wrote:
yup well said, me being a matrix fan means i'm dissapointed that this doesn't have a true "claim" in the matrix universe,

but so what? if they can deliver the goods, then that's all that matters. keep the game rolling. nevermind who's making it all go.

We can't know for sure who is behind this, at least not yet.. i'm yet to see anything conclusive (have you guys?), so none of us can say for sure who the PM's really are. Besides.. you can't really base your opinion on what a couple of guests have posted. So don't give up hope.. this might very well be from the WB.

Heck.. maybe this is all part of the game?

..wouldn't that be something? Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 8:08 pm
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I don't care, even if it doesn't matter

Here I am again, still not making a login. (Teel)

So, I'm a big Matrix fan AND have been looking for a fun ARG since the Beast, which I played from almost the beginning.

I was having fun playing the game, trying to solve the puzzles on my own, making new friends, glad to see so many other people involved to solve the puzzles I can't (I've never heard Evanescence's music, so would likely not ever have got that clue)... and I still want to play the game. It really had the feel of the first couple of weeks of the Beast, and I was looking forward to it getting deeper and broader and coming across more and more devious and complicated puzzles, and the joy of seeing so many variously designed websites across so many subjects and knowing it's all made by the same team is just a joy!

I'm also a big fan of the Matrix trilogy. I've even written the main character of one of my novels (set next spring) as enjoying watching the Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions double-feature at the dollar theatre, presuming that not only will Revolutions blow us all away with its twist, but that it will stick in theatres and be adored by millions for months beyond its release. Because I believe it. I'm one of those guys who picks apart every new Matrix trailer, frame by frame, trying to 'solve' it, and figure out what's going to happen next. And the idea that this oh-so-fun-ARG was tied directly into a meta-universe I love really, really drew me in. That I might be able to learn more about the movie (or the upcoming MMOG), get extra depth (those of you who played the Beast know the difference between the AI you saw and the AI everyone else saw; we KNOW why the world froze, and what happened to Martin et al, years down the line - the movie is deeper because of the ARG), and have a fun time playing along in a Matrix-like world were really important and interesting to me.

Finding out that such-and-such a company was behind the ARG didn't even spoil it for me, because my mind still said "maybe WB hired them to do this!" And from a trusted source I learned that WB has said not just that this isn't them, but that this (or any) ARG is not considered to be in their interest, marketing-wise, at all. Which tells me that it probably, really, ISN'T them behind it, that this story ISN'T canon. Which really means, as a Matrix fan, that it doesn't matter.

But you know what? I don't care. It's still been fun! It could still be fun! It LOOKED like they were setting up for at least a fair amount of depth, and some interesting puzzles, and I want to keep playing. I know, I know, this isn't really a Matrix story... but it's a story, and it's been compelling so far, and challenging, and ... (checking...) Damnit! the site is STILL down, and I can't try more guesses at mlo's metadex password while I wait for my ride.

So, here's my vote (since I know now that the PMs DO read this site, definitely) that the game continue.

And here's my request to all the players out there not to harrass the PMs, just because we know who they are.

And here's my request to the PMs to NOT post in the forums (here or elsewhere) with "guesses" that are really just hints to get us to solve the puzzles, or outright solves. If we aren't getting it, give us hints IN GAME. part of what was so great about the Beast was that they'd give us a puzzle and if we didn't get it after a week they'd give (in game) some more info, and if we still didn't get it, they'd give a really obvious hint, and ... you know, sometimes we STILL didn't get it, but it all stayed in-game.

And now I'm getting messages from the CD camp that apparently there is history between this board and that one, and I don't know anything about that and I wasn't trying to SPAM you with CD, and I don't mean to be impolite, but I don't care where I go, I don't like censorship of any kind, and would react to it the same way if they tried to do it at CD or on CNN or anywhere else. I didn't mean to 'rock the boat' and I have no idea what's gone on between these two places before or who was involved. I played the Beast ... I've kept my eyes open since then for a real successor, and this was the first one that even came close (in my opinion), so until a couple of days ago, I haven't even heard of this place. Sorry if I caused problems, I just wanted to play the game to its full dpeth, even if that includes the PMs.

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Sunny du Pree
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Re: Metacortechs Puzzle Solved?

niobexrev wrote:
My original theory was that this game would go on until "Revolutions" came out and it will be solved when we see the movie. Maybe Beth will be in the movie or something. My thoughts were that the Wachowskis, or whoever they've tasked with this puzzle, would change things little by little here and there, subtly until the movie's opening night.


yep I agree... if this is a legit Matrix game then I was thinking that it would logically lead to the Revolutions opening hence the strict script if that is what they are adhering too.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:24 pm
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Censorship is not a board policy except as defined in the board Terms of Service. Moderators of specific forums/threads can take it upon themselves to edit or delete posts (ergo, 'censor') as they see fit. In this case, the moderators of this particular section of the forum took it upon themselves to censor particular comments in order to best protect the curtain.

This is not an isolated situation. When The Beast was in its run, the Cloudmaker moderators did something similar when it was apparent that a crack had been found underneath the curtain. While not all of the players fully understood or respected the wishes of the CM mods, the mods stood by their decisions and the game marched on.

Hopefully, players can see that certain posts/flames in the Metacortechs section were, um, BALEETED or edited by board mods because of a similar occurence with this new game.

Views about collectivedetective.com belong to those who write them, and they were not part of the issue at hand. Again, it was simply an attempt to protect the curtain.

If you would like to read more about the board administrator's views about forum moderation, please see this thread. Besides this, I stand by whatever 'censorship' took place by my hands or by the hands of other mods/admins.

Now, if we can please go back to having fun, I'd appreciate it wholeheartedly.
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Woody
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what the hell?

Man this sucks. I was just getting into the ARG thing, and turns out this game might be crap. I missed the boat on the AI game, and thought that this might be a good entry into this new sort of game. Being familiar with the "Matrix Universe" way just a way to get my foot in the door. I hope we can at least play the game to whatever conclusion the have planned (lame or not). At least I was hovering on the perimiter of this forum the whole time, since it seems that you guys are the frontrunners for knowing what the hell is going on.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:01 pm
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GOD
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Wake Up

Rolling Eyes The puppetmasters of the MetaCortechs ARG are known quantities. The question that is unanswered is whether or not the Wachowskis and Warner Brothers paid/enlisted them for this task.


However, look at it in the following way...

Why would this group of puppetmasters, which has been successful in the past creating an ARG from scratch, risk a lawsuit from Warner Brothers to skirt the Matrix Universe - why this subject at this moment in time Question

Idea Perhaps because there is no risk at all Exclamation Wink


Either way, the question will most likely have no absolute
answer until the game is concluded.


So you might as well play the game and...

Enjoy!


*grins and waves*


Cool Hello, Brooke. Wink

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Re: Wake Up

GOD wrote:
However, look at it in the following way...

Why would this group of puppetmasters, which has been successful in the past creating an ARG from scratch, risk a lawsuit from Warner Brothers to skirt the Matrix Universe - why this subject at this moment in time Question

Idea Perhaps because there is no risk at all Exclamation Wink


I agree. I really don't think anyone would put this much work into something that could so swiftly be squashed by a lawsuit. And if it weren't official I'm sure that we would have heard from the WB by now.

I'll play along and enjoy it whether its official or not. (And just because my number of posts here is high, don't assume I'm not a big matrix fan!) I would love to find out that the WBs are behind this, because so far its turning out to be quality entertainment unlike a certain official XBOX/PS2/GC game, IMHO.
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well, if it was really a fan that made this, they wouldn't bring the information to place that can be very influent on the people reading the news. So, this is a part of marketing that Warnerbros have already get in touch with like for AI. But probably that the W brother are involved in this.

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There is no risk of a lawsuit on the part of the PMs. What would they be sued for, exactly? Fraud? No one has claimed to have any official affiliation with Warner Brothers. Copyright infringement? In fact, the only direct references to the Matrix movies so far have been the 'Metacortex' name and the entry for Thomas Anderson in the bio section thereof. And if you go to any Matrix fansite on the whole intar-web, you will find roughly 57 billion times as much use of copyrighted material. What does an underwater hotel have to do with the Matrix mythos anyway?
All that having been said, I think it's entirely plausible that this is being backed by WB. They were, after all, behind the Beast, and the not-to-be-named identity of the PMs also makes sense in that context, if you think about it--in which case, WB earns a lot of cool points from me.
Personally, I doubt that is the case. I don't think a Hollywood production company is really deserving of the cool points I previously mentioned. If they were to launch another ARG, I think they would probably give it to Microsoft, who did so well on the Beast. I really don't think they'd give it to -unnamed-; even if -unnamed- were doing it for next-to-nothing. I just don't think Hollywood Production Exective Whoever thinks like that.
And again, just as a matter of personal opinion, I was turned off from this game over the whole -unnamed- fiasco. To me, the sheer clumsiness of the way that was handled ruined everything. The name -unnamed- getting out like that--that could've been incorporated by the ARG. I've been GMing role-playing games since high school; any GM worth his/her salt knows that for your game to work, it has to be flexible; you have to be prepared for anything. The -unnamed- company could easily have turned out to be a company in the Matrix, or there could have been an ARG-within-an-ARG (how Matrix would THAT have been?), anything, really. But by going with this censoring strategy, saying that we need to preserve the 'curtain,' all they're doing is bringing more attention to the curtain.
That's just me, though. I could be wrong.

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Mods, how is this offtopic. This is the Metacortex general forum. I thought that as long as it's dealing with Metacortex, it's on topic. Maybe it should be named [GENERAL], meaning not anything dealing with solving the puzzles, just commenting about the whole game itself. I took "off topic" to mean threads talking about how Neo will kick Smith's ass or something.

It's your call really, and it doesn't really matter one way or another, except that the word [OFF TOPIC] is a turn off to other members and they won't even bother to open this thread.

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i have some knowledge of making movies, and this type of an online game would take the type of collaboration necessary for a film, a video game, any type of project that had to look waay down the road and plan every little detail from start to finish.

i doubt very much this arg has been initiated by a fan. there's far too much and too many entities involved. sure, any one of us could sit down and put together a game like this given enough time and effort, but it would take months of work and research. i imagine an arg is put together by telling a story first, and then breaking the story down into clues. this is not an easy thing to do. it takes people who do this type of creative work for a living.

i also doubt anyone would put up an arg that could be solved in 36 days. metacortex opened oct 30, revolutions opens nov 5. how could they be sure it would be solved in such a short period of time, particularly as the clues have come slowly in this two week period? i think it will go on beyond revolutions release, thought we may find a clue in the movie.

this reeks of the bros to me, despite wb's denial. there are enough companies involved in the matrix compendium of work, that plenty could be directly responsible, without wb's direct influence...except for possibly dollars under the table. the whole point of there being puppetmasters is that they stay behind the curtain.

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Guest wrote:
i doubt very much this arg has been initiated by a fan. there's far too much and too many entities involved. sure, any one of us could sit down and put together a game like this given enough time and effort, but it would take months of work and research.


You didn't play Chasing the Wish did you? Wink It can be done. Not that I'm saying that it is or isn't a fan created game. I don't know either way.

Guest wrote:
this reeks of the bros to me, despite wb's denial.


What did I miss? They have officially denied being involved? Is this posted somewhere here because I did a search and can't find anything.
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What about the beta test info?

I've also had some contact with someone "Official" who has confirmed for me that this is not an Officially sanctioned ARG. Which is fine, it's still a fantastic game and I encourage people to continue to play it. But I am concerned about one thing: What are the creators of this game planning on doing with all the personal information they gathered from us via the MetaVRX Beta Test application. I know that a lot Matrix fans, myself included, filled that out sending in our addressess under the assumption that this was officially related to the Matrix Franchise and that just maybe this was how they were going to choose their beta testers for The Matrix Online MMORPG. But now that I know it's not official, and it's just a really great ARG created by a group of very talented individuals, I for one would like to know exactly who I sent my address to, what they wanted it for, and what they plan on doing with it.

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Guest wrote:
this reeks of the bros to me, despite wb's denial.


Woe, woe, WOE! Where did you get this information? When did WB deny involvement?

I guess it is inevitable that someone with connections to the Matrix franchise would be questioned about this. I just haven't hear it yet. If anyone has any info regarding this, please post it with links and sh!t.

I don't know how, but I do think that this is an official Matrix game rather than an ameteur unofficial fan creation.

Even if this game was being done by ameteur PMs, they'd have to get permission somehow. The Metacortex building in the picture is straight out of the movie. So is the use of the music from "Beyond" (an Animatrix) in the flash intro.

The only explanation that if this is just ameteur PMs, is, as someone said, the Bros. are just letting them do this without bothering to demand permission.

And guest, you actually put personal info on the fill out sheet? Mother of god! If you doubted WB involvement why in heaven's holy name would you do something so stupid (yes, it's stupid). I wouldn't do that even if it claimed to be WB involved. I filled it out with a bunch of fake crap (complete with a 555 number) and sent it in. Don't take risks if you have doubt. That's just my suggestion.

Also even if it's true guest that you have a friend "on the inside", the Wachowski Brothers are very, VERY good at keeping secrets, even from their own cast and crew. If your "friend" denied involvement, maybe he's telling the truth, or at least believes so.
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