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[Puzzle] - #240 - Silver - [Circles Set] - Elucidate
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oliverkeers13
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Well it's not Bose Einsteinian Condensate, Einstein Bose Condensate, or Fermionic Condensate (as tried on the page)

EDIT: nor is it plasma
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locqust
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Don't suppose anybody else has tried any?

Ive tried just "Bose condensates" as well as Raman backscattering and some unpronoucable one related to backscattering.

Ah well thats another 3 failures to add to my attempts...thinks its on 107 atm..... Confused

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TeamMfM
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Microwave

Ive tried evrything with this card frozen it left it under extreme light i even put it in th micro wave the front started to krack offf the back was fine i got scared my microwave was going to blow up though soo i stopped it!!!

I hae found an album cover that sort of looks like it could be to do with this card StatiC Excitemnet by Wayde Richardson

also other links i have found are madonnas isotope transfus

Homogeneis Catalyst Designs and Synthesis

A Quote 'do not take on more then you can accomplish' Parables

dont know if any of the above is relevant but thought id post might help some one ?!

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:09 pm
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Some further spec on this card, now that I actually own it:

It looks a little like 2D gel electrophoresis, ie a method used in biochemistry for molecular separation. Examples looking not too dissimilar to the card can be found here (about 2/3 of the way down) and here (along with other examples on the main page.)

My only problem with this theory is that electrophoresis tends to look a little more regular than the card. If this was to be the right direction then the right answer may be the molecule(s) being electrophoresed, which might be difficult to ascertain. Confused (Although someone did mention Adrian Hon being interested in neurotransmitters...)

In any case the answer isn't simply "gel electrophoresis". Wasted my first two guesses duplicating answers from other people Embarassed

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:15 am
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Langley Moot
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Just an idea, and no idea how to go about solving it - perhaps by scanning it and using appropriate software - but could this be a Fourier tranform image? For those not familiar with the term, this is the image the light forms at the focal point between yourself and the object you're examining, and translates the outside edges towards the centre and maps points on the inside towards the outside, with the positions being flipped through both the vertical and horizontal planes. Simple, eh?

I've never seen any fourier transforms that look quite like this, but the fact that it's a 'map of light' kinda suggested itself from the title 'Elucidate'.

Feel free to shoot me down in flames people Wink

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At present I'm ditching superfluid research as I keep coming up with regular patterns (but what do I know - although scarily I keep thinking I understand some of this now) and am now looking at:
Terahertz scanning (possibly of human faces)
Radio mapping of galaxies
Gravity field variations
Radar scanning of seismically active areas
PET scans of the brain
Storm/vortex morphology

The last one is the only one in which those lines keep appearing though.
Here's hoping this will set someones mind going.
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locqust
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dont suppose anybody has emailed MC for help like on the purple card down, a, b, up, up right?

cos lets face this could be anything! and with the hint line not working we do need a bit of a nudge in the right direction!
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Bert
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Hey I emailed my friend who works on teh Mars Project Begal and various other Mars / Space stuff and asked him to look at this unfortuantly he found nothing here is his email - might give some clues

"Bad news I'm afraid - neither I nor the people I've shown it to know
what it is. It could be a diagram with contours of some sort, or polar
ice fissures?
No real clues though
cheers Andrew"

Off to look up Polar Ice Fissures.

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gid
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Just for the hell of it I scanned it in and fed it into MetaSynth. It's a fairly clean sound, but I'm not sure if it was from the artifacts of scanning or not. I thought it might be the spectrogram of a voice print and the answer was a word or a sound. I didn't have access to a scanner here, so had to make do with a photo of the card, so it might be worth someone else having a go and checking if they can hear anything. If anyone here works in a hospital, it might be worth taking it to the clinical audiology department (or whatever it's called) and asking if it looks familiar.

I looked at about 100 pages of Google Image Search, and found some stuff that looked a bit like it, but not exactly. Possibly frequency across the card, time down the card with the darkness indicating amplitude, along with trend lines.

Anyway, spectrogram, voiceprint and voice print don't work.

One thing I was pondering is where the lines clearly pixellate. I'm trying to attach significance to that.

Any thoughts?

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locqust
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To be honest this card is doing my head in, elucidate....perhaps the 2nd meaning "to clarify" is more likely the true meaning of the card, because as soon as it gets solved everyone will experience elucidity on it!

"Oh so it is a so-and-so! I can see it when I turn my head slightly and squint!"
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I know seismic activity has been looked at several times but over at the PXC forums this link has been posted
http://www.netl.doe.gov/scngo/images/scng_images/PWAVE.jpg

I think it looks closer than anything else I've seen so far.... but what do I know.
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Gid,
I think I know why you're going that route... 'voice pattern' doesn't work either, btw. Wink

Anyway, I just entered 'hello' for the heck of it, with no luck! Laughing
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I agree that it looks like some sort of imprint of speech, and it is what the speech is saying that would need to be entered rather than the type of imprint.
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I've studied a little audiology, gel electrophoresis and neuroscience in the course of work, and haven't seen anything quite like this. I agree that there's a similarity to cortical neurones, and anything to do with the visual cortex is attractive because of the title, but I think it's only a resemblance. I haven't seen anything with discontinuities as demonstrated by the thin lines. That suggests to me more something along the lines of seismic activity or stress lines. I googled p-wave anisotroypy seismic mars elucidate and the first site was at the Colorado school of Mines where I have a friend. He's written books about the foundations of buildings such as Canary Wharf so may recognise something. The contours made me think of height, depth, pressure or temperature, none of which corresponds to elucidate. I've looked at spectroscopic views of Mars, and thermal imaging especially of the foot and got nowhere. I will pluck up courage to speak to the fearsome audiologist who works on the floor below me next week. I think it will confirm to him that psychiatrists are crazy.
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anyone tried pyramids or tetrahedrons etc : Very Happy


oh well never mind
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