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[Puzzle] - #240 - Silver - [Circles Set] - Elucidate
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oliverkeers13
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SteveC
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I think this is my first spec on this, but I have been returning to it from time to time...

How about something related to a stellar constellation? The lines could e the stars position through history?

Now, to get any further, maybe we need to consult an astrophysicist? I certainly don't know enough about it! However, just a quick look at some of the constellations suggests to me that the torso of "hercules" isn't that far off in position..?

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Langley Moor
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I'm an astrophysicist, and I've never come across anything like this before - it could be beyond anything I've come across, but it certainly doesn't look familiar. I can see the link between stars and elucidate though, so possibly this is the right direction to be heading in.

I'd say it's unlikely that it could be a historical star position map, as stars move very little relative to each other due to the vast scales involved. Also, it's a bit of a grey area anyway, since the time scales over which accurate star position data exists is nothing compared to the time spans needed for starts to move relative to each other. Sorry to put the dampeners on that one Sad

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I agree with Langley, I did think that perhaps it could be emission from HII clouds but it wouldnt explain the trails in the picture.
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OK, I have been talking to a customer and explained the game and em,ailed him across a picture of elucidate. Here is what he has come up with

I thought I had something yesterday with the Elucidate one but wasn't sure
if it was the scan of the image or not, basically I was fiddling with the
picture in Microsoft Image Composer and when you added the 'colour edges'
effect it showed loads of coloured lines( as per attached probably need to
zoom) probably nothing though?
At the end of the day I haven't got a clue what I'm doing but it sure beats
doing work!

I have attached what he attached for me I can see the different colour lines at the edges also there looks like some kind of maze behind the main picture - again might just be the original scan, could be noting could be something. - just thought I would shre

PS My Dad still thinks this is Marilyn Monroe!! No matter how many times I say it isn't.
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chichiri
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wow, the blueprints of fort knox, lets raid it, who's with me.

but seriously, I think you may have something here, this seems to be a maze, a building layout, or the innards of a computer chip, or maybe, if we're really lucky, it's a map to find the cube we all know and love.

no da

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oliverkeers13
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Hmm, interesting. The coloured lines at the edges should probably be ignored, however. I think they're probably caused by the silver on the card. Nice progress, though.
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When we've moved to the stage of applying random image effects to a scan of the card in an attempt to solve it, we've probably gone too far...

What your customer found was JPEG compression artifacts. He's certainly not the first, and won't be the last to find them in the search for an ARG solve.
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locqust
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I wouldnt be so sure to jump on that jpeg compression conclusion. Just been checking this picture over and it does appear to be a blueprint/floorplan very very similar to how dungeons and dragons floorplans are drawn.
Thats just my thought Very Happy
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Daffy889 wrote:
When we've moved to the stage of applying random image effects to a scan of the card in an attempt to solve it, we've probably gone too far...


So...um...putting cards under blacklights/ultra-violet/x-rays, in microwave ovens, and rubbing them to warm them up...they don't fall into the same category at all then eh?

Seriously, Mind Candy have gone on public record as stating that they are dragging their printers kicking and screaming into the future with them on the cards - new techniques which have never been tried anywhere before abound. I'd say that pretty much anything is worth a try, especially where Silvers are concerned.

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Juxta wrote:
Daffy889 wrote:
When we've moved to the stage of applying random image effects to a scan of the card in an attempt to solve it, we've probably gone too far...


So...um...putting cards under blacklights/ultra-violet/x-rays, in microwave ovens, and rubbing them to warm them up...they don't fall into the same category at all then eh?


except all those things can be done with the actual card, and not with a scan. this new idea about applying a filter can only be done with a scan, not the actual card. scanning is way too unreliable to keep any type of print effect in tact like this. i don't think it is any coincidence that the little trails in the background look like floorplans, because floorplans are usually blocky, just like jpeg compression artifacts! i'm sure everyone has seen the funny pixellation effect you often get through messing around with a digital image, it happens in resizing photos, when the digital telly signal goes a bit funny, when you compress an image just a little bit too much... and when you set a photoshop type filter to draw lines round everything that has a slightly different tone to whatever its next to, if you set the sensitivity high enough you will end up drawing lines around the blocky pixel shapes in seemingly monotone areas. if anyone has this card and can confirm that there are in fact different shaded blocky patterns in the continuous tone areas of the image, then i will gladly eat my words, but personally i dont think thats the case.

rach =)

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Langley Moor
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*Nods*

What she said Razz

Don't think I could have said it better, so I'm glad you got there first. If anyone else has this software, scan the image and try it yourselves - the 'floorplan' you get will be different, I'll bet a trouting on it!

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When you see the actual card it's clearer that the lines go to the peaks or plateaus. My engineer friend had never seen anything like it and could only suggest contours with fault lines superimposed. Have played around with the anagram having spotted that it made I Clue Date, and had words like Euclid and Delta within it. Have tried doing an anagram with US state abbreviations. Al, Ca, Ct, De, Id, Il, Ia, La, Ut possible states. Best anagram was Il Duce Tea. Tea with Mussolini anyone?
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I'm just sitting staring at the card now, and it's the lines that have got to be a defining feature - if it were just the shaded areas, it could be almost anything, but with the lines included it suddenly becomes impossible to link it to anything.
My next thought.... some sort of heat signature? Again, explains the shading, but not the lines Confused

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when i said i checked the card i meant the actual card, these lines exist, very faint though. thinking about it they could be do with the printing process. As i believe this is a silver foil all over the card then the design on top, perhaps they way they print it has left these lines? but the lines are definitely there.
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