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Puppy_Zwolle
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 		Can't find anything. But I'm no stegman myself. How you figure it is stegged?

[edit] Ah got it. I resaved it as jpeg with same resolution. Somehow it suffered over 80% 'weightloss'. It's stegged. 542kb to 92kb. 450kb hidden info. Thats half a book.

Tried to uncamouflage it. Nu succes yet.
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Caspian
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 		Froum = OOG?
I used a program called Camouflage_Password_Finder and the returned password was just a bunch of ASCII jibberish. Maybe one of you will have better luck. On the other hand, the file size difference could be explained by the fact the different file types are different sizes.

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misery_of_pain
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 		AGES ago, I sent an email to Jordan, asking him if he had any questions for the matzai, and I just got this reply

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I have no questions
Why Would I?
I own them


Jordan
See Clear


So, yeah, he's a bad guy. I sent him an email back saying "You lied to me. I know where you live Jordan. You can't play everyone...." I'm guessing maybe I shouldn't have hehe


I ask that we have our own forum pleeeeassee!!
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labfly
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 		i wrote to jordan and again asked about that map/symbol
wondering what the map could be of and how we would
ever find it--

jordan's email to me:
Quote:

I really do wonder where this is getting us.Why should we find where the
servers are situated?That is plain to me.I need to find Munchen in the
servers.He walks by every time I look.I only catch a glimpse


i'm completely confused. Confused
(i have just thrown my hands up into the air)
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misery_of_pain
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 		So this is Jordan's reply to my "I know where you live" mail

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You know where I live?
I live in a place far beyond your imagination.I lied?All the clues were
there, you just had to look close enough.Believe me we will all find our
way.Just in different ways.
The next choice will be up to you and your friends

Do not speak of loyalty
Jordan


So yeah, I'm writting him an email back (that dude is a psycho!)

Labfly... I'm as confused as you are. If he knows where the servers are, why did he ask for our help to find them?

Maybe this new Jordan is actually Anne?
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Caspian
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 		[CONFIDENTIAL, MOST SECRET]
Alright everybody, it's time for me to come clean and burst this thing wide open. The information contained in this post is CONFIDENTIAL AND MOST SECRET. Jordan MUST NOT know that I have shared any of this. I am the "trusted one" he spoke of here.

Last week, I began to suspect that Jordan was really in charge of the servers (i.e., "them") and that we may have laid our trust in the wrong person. I also felt very responsible for this possible wrong move, since I was the one who advocated trusting Jordan and then sent him an email basically telling him everything we knew. To atone for my mistake, I decided drastic action was necessary. It seemed that Jordan used us to get information and that he felt he no longer needed to keep up appearances. I began to wonder how much actual information we would get out him anymore. So I resolved to make Jordan think that I was on his side and that I was willing to spy on all of you. I figured that was the only way to get the truth out of him. Basically, I decided to become a double agent.

My plan seemed perfect except for one problem. More than once we have wondered whether Jordan was watching our discussion. If that was true and I posted my plans and his correspondence, the whole plan would come crashing down making Jordan shut his mouth even more than he already had. My fears were amplified when his new link was named "Telepathy", some thing we had joked about a while ago. However, Jordan seems to genuinely trust me now and has told me that he does not have access to our communication channels.
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[META]this forum is supposed to be OOG and off limits to PMs and characters anyway![/META]
I have compiled my conversations with Jordan in the attachment. It begins afterthis email from Jordan.

REMEMBER: Jordan MUST NOT know that I have betrayed his trust. IF you have further communication with Jordan, you MUST NOT LET HIM KNOW that I have shared this information. If you think you can continue correspondence with him without letting your questions (or lack thereof) tip him off that you know the truth, then do so. If not, discontinue correspondence with him. I plan to continue this double agent role as long as it is helpful to us.

Summary of attached conversation (for the lazy):
- The servers were created by our ancestors thousands of years ago as a method of population control.
- When a human dies, its soul/consciousness is taken to the servers to have its memory wiped and to wait reinsertion into the real world in the body of an infant.
- Jordan controls and maintains the servers. There are 100,000.
- Dr. Munchen found a way to escape.
- Jordan wants to know what Dr. Munchen's plans are.
- Jordan believes Caspian_X is his spy and questioner. Caspian X is supposed to discover Dr. Munchen's plans (and possibly location) and report to Jordan.
- If Jordan discovers Caspian X has betrayed his trust, we will likely get no further information from Jordan, and Caspian X will be forever taken to the servers Crying or Very sad
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draghkar
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 		I received a message from Jordan:

Quote:
Hello Again
How do I know that their dreams are controled?Well I built the bloody
program you idiot.Inputing and Outputting is always quite simple.So
ignorant to my position in all this aren't you.Forgery is always easy.
Jordan


so here is a coming out!!!

Greetz,

D.
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Caspian
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 		Yes, he has revealed to everyone that he runs the servers. That is now common knowledge.

However, the following is still secret:
- the purpose of the servers
- his mission to discover Munchen's plans
- the fact that i am his spy

In fact, it might not be a bad idea for someone to email him, asking him about the Telepathy page - see if he will reveal who he has placed his trust in or what exactly that means.

Don't slip up and cause me to forever be taken to the servers! I'm pretty sure I can't access unfiction from there!

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Puppy_Zwolle
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misery_of_pain wrote:
So this is Jordan's reply:
All the clues werethere,


Is it me or does this sound like an episode of (sorry for those that haven't seen is) Through the keyhole?
(Did I say sorry for those that didn't see that? Rolling Eyes )

Then were are our 20 questions we can expect a straight answer too? People changing personality on us are no basis for a solid clue base we can make something out off.


However........ Brainblock. There must be a 'lesson' in there. For some reason we have an answer laying(?) around and we haven't used it yet.

[EDIT] ok I missed some reading. will catch up and make some smart remarks on it.
caspian_x wrote:
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[META]this forum is supposed to be OOG and off limits to PMs and characters anyway![/META]

I think you are right BUT. As this is not a game there are no such rules.... kinda. (I must say this whole thread has a kinda pushing and popping IG oog feel to it.)

On Jordan:
He may be a unpleasant person and bad at his job (he let one escape tisk tisk) on the other hand he is preforming a rather unique and important comunity service.

How good or bad everybody in there is was or will be...... 'we all' have to go through it if I get this right. So whats the big fuss in the end?

One got away. Apperantly a big deal.
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misery_of_pain
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 		I had a feeling it was you caspian, you seemed a bit quiet Razz
Anywho, I emailed Jordan asking him to explain the "telepathy" page, just gotta wait for a reply

Also, a thing about the second taking, surely that's a good thing? Reincarnation? I'm a definite believer because when I was lil girl (knee-high to a grasshopper Razz) I had vivid recollections of WWII WITHOUT having previous knowledge. Maybe, if I came from a richer background, I could of had hypnotic regression, altho, I am unsure about that now, considering I took history in high school hehe
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 		Shocked caspian_x! i thought for sure it was patrol!!
so wait.. was the letter forged by jordan?
and what about anne mooney, my favorite axe murderer?
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Puppy_Zwolle
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 		Long story short.

Ancient 'guy' looking for runaway.

No good or bad in this story unless you want to change the world.... again, making everybody immortal. I for one will vote HELL NO! and personally will issue a fair ballot ensuring that outcome.

He may be what we would call Lucifer incarnate but... well the alternative would be reall hell on earth.
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labfly wrote:
anyhoo, i am wondering if we are dealing with souls in these servers..? somehow someone is taking the souls of these individuals and keeping them in these servers-- is that nutz?


and i thought my thinking was nutz! great work, caspian_x!
that was dr. munchen IM'ing yesterday.. right?
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Caspian
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 		Yeah, I figured that you guys would figure out it was me sooner or later. Sorry for the deception.

My thinking is that we need to figure out our next move. Do we trust Jordan and believe that he is really working for the good of mankind?

Personally I vote we get more information out of Oliver Munchen before making any decisions. Jordan could very well be right. But then again, what is Munchen's plan? What does he want?

So I guess I will be on the lookout for any word from Dr. Munchen.

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 		Ok to come back to the conversation i had with munchen (Keep in mind that he uses metaphores a lot):


munchen wrote:

riddle mask says: What fire burns beyond the nights eye?

The nights eye is the moon so can we translate this sentence to: What fire burns beyond the moon?
The moon... Does he refer to Anne here? Does this sentence mean: What drives Anne mooney? Does he refer to Jordan here, because Anne is his puppet?

munchen wrote:

riddle mask says: When I come face to face with thee
riddle mask says: Do you cry and run away from me?


I have no idea what he means with this other than are you ready to be confronted with the truth?

munchen wrote:

riddle mask says: 66 thats where you will find
riddle mask says: The clues which I once left behind


Here is a clear hint that we need to look for a 66 somewhere. But where?

Later in my converstation with him I asked:
draghkar wrote:

Draghkar says: where will i find 66?

On which he replied:
munchen wrote:

riddle mask says: Born Beyond Belief


So thats why I was thinking that we need to get a hold of page 66 of BBB.

munchen wrote:

riddle mask says: Meant for one purpose
riddle mask says: Only Mine
riddle mask says: The fires burning
riddle mask says: And It's Sublime
riddle mask says: Find
riddle mask says: Trace
riddle mask says: Solve


Again a reference to fire and a hint to a puzzle. (this is going to be interesting)

So then the following is said:

Quote:

Draghkar says: where do i start?
riddle mask says: You will start with the one who seems so unlikely
riddle mask says: He shall give the answers
riddle mask says: The almighty
Draghkar says: is this one called Jordan?
riddle mask says: He has no name to me
riddle mask says: Betrayed the name of mystery
Draghkar says: is he like god?
riddle mask says: He believes his world to be true and just
riddle mask says: But his love for that world to grow shall just be lust


with the latest intel we received, this definitely refers to Jordan. Munchen does not know his name, but it is Jordan. This also implies that Jordan has something that we need. 66 out of BBB maybe?

Quote:

Draghkar says: this world of his, is it big?
riddle mask says: It is big enough for him to love
riddle mask says: His world is the opposite of the dove
Draghkar says: is it war?
riddle mask says: Far beyond peace it lies
riddle mask says: For in those dreams
riddle mask says: We heard those cries


More intel on the servers

Quote:

Draghkar says: are you among the matzai? or are you away?
riddle mask says: I am away, on the brink
riddle mask says: I walk by his eyes the second he blinks


This seems to be a reference to the following from an email of his:

Jordan wrote:

I let nothing cross the rabbits eye.
Even though he sees sideways.


But what is the rabbits eye??


Quote:

Draghkar says: is he powerful? powerful in his world?
riddle mask says: The world is not his creation
riddle mask says: Think of his as a smaller nation
Draghkar says: i see
Draghkar says: where will i find 66?
riddle mask says: Born Beyond Belief
riddle mask says: I must go
Draghkar says: is it yours?
Draghkar says: did you write the notes?
Draghkar says: becareful out there..

The following message could not be delivered to all recipients:
becareful out there..


More details

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Anyways, with the above i think that we really need to get page 66 up.
If you guys see more in the metaphores munchen was using, then please let me know.

Greetz,

D.
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