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[PUZZLE] #251 - Silver - The Thirteenth Labour
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neuromancer
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tipimike wrote:
Havent got loads of time at the moment to get engrossed in the sourceforge project but as a suggestion it would be better to rely on the chaos therory.... as with the HUGE number of keys working through them will take YEARS.. just like distributed.net .... therefore using random keys is more likely to come up with a correct answer faster... with the millions of keys everyone is managing to check most of the time its only cycling the last 3 or 4 characters where as a random (a..z,A..Z,0-9) key would cover a far greater range and under the chaos therory would quite likely hit on the right one faster than cycling though them all.

Also due to the VAST number of keys possibilities it wouldnt be necessary to log what has been checked as the likely hood of generating the same key multiple times is very very small!!!


Yeah, I was kinda thinking along those lines anyway. I was just going to automate the process slightly, so that people could leave their comps working through the keys, and when the client finishes their 'workload' it connects to the servers and gets a new batch of keys to work through. The servers would have chaos engines creating the keys, and pushing them out to the clients when they connect. At least this way we can also see how many keys we've tried and completely eliminate any chance of trying the same keys over again. The stats would certainly give us something to brag about, and also give MC something to talk about at ARG conferences!!

I know what you're saying, but this project could be like the fall-back plan, so we're not sitting around waiting for something to happen.
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Hi. 1st posting here. Just browsing to see what Perplexcity is all about while waiting for my first packs to turn up in the post.

This may not be relevant but if you google "69 A9 3A FD C5 AD 43 8F 48 53 56 0F" being the first part of the hex code, one of the hits is for

http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2969.edit

which is identical to the above code except that it stops short of the last 59 characters.

This seems to be an incredible coincidence if this puzzle is a 64bit encrypted code?

Just a thought..

I don't know anything about squeak or how to feed this code into it or what might come out the other end, or alternatively what was put in to squeak to generate this output.

Hope this helps. Dunno

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Hmm maybe not.

Looks as though someone has inadvertently updated a web site while trying to decipher the code

http://pxcforums.com/lofiversion/index.php/t203.html

Apologies for the waste of space...

Embarassed

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Escapist
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This may be a stupid question but does anyone know what form the they expect the answer in to solve the card?

It might somehow bring us closer to the answer...

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EvilOverlord
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Has anyone created the project on Sourceforge yet? This was mentioned a few weeks ago, but it doesn't appear that it has been started yet.

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EvilOverlord wrote:
Has anyone created the project on Sourceforge yet? This was mentioned a few weeks ago, but it doesn't appear that it has been started yet.


near the top of page 13

Quote:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pxc-hack-13


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HiveMind
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Hey there, (1st post Very Happy )

Well I haven't had time to read through all the posts yet on this thread but I was wondering has anyone found any relivance in the 5 cows at the bottom?

I was possibly thinking this was a hint at the password. Could it be "Five Cows", "5 Cows" or maybe even in spanish "cinco vacas".

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Hi guys. I'm still looking for a bit of guidence on how to use rccrypt. I am running it from C:\RCCRYPT and am using the following command;

rccrypt fivecows -a

when this is entered, I get the following message displayed on screen;

Starting with key 534341524C455454, attempting 0 keys

After that nothing happens. With my very limited knowledge, I was expecting some kind of output file to be produced, which I could then compare to the card - Yes / No?

What am I doing wrong here? any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

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RCCRYPT

Hi

Using BriEnigmas rccrypt-windows_199.zip program to try out a few key ideas. How many attempts should we be using on each 8 character word as a rule of thumb?
I'm guesing that 1 million is nowhere near enough? Question

Thanx.

In answer to your question Mr C run RCCRYPT.exe in cmd window on XP and it will list the parameters you need to supply, including a number of attempts to try.

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fantasticalan
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elbee909 wrote:
And hey, look how few points you get for solving this card anyway, how could it be *that* complex?


I know it's a bit behind the times, but I've just read this and couldn't help but Laughing - it's worth three more points than Riemann, and if you solve Riemann it's worth <Dr. Evil>One Million Dollars</Dr. Evil>...

Sorry, I've nothing that advances us further, but thanks for the chuckle on this Monday afternoon!

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HiveMind
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Right well I know that certain types of encrption can 'leak' information in the IV specifically WEP, although lots of these packets are need to break it generally. Although some form of old encyption can be statistically hacked one that comes to mind is the vigenere cypher. Now is it possible to do a statistical hack on this? Have you tried putting this through other breakable cyphers?

A statistical hack is worth a go I feel.

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neuromancer
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Hey HiveMind, if you go waay back to the first few pages, it was determined that this message is encrypted with RC5-64. Also, the hint from Von's text line was the name of the RC-Crypt program, which encrypts and decrypts RC5-64 messages.

I'm not quite sure what you mean with 'statistical hack' but if you mean brute force then that's what I'm currently planning.


fantasticalan wrote:
I know it's a bit behind the times, but I've just read this and couldn't help but - it's worth three more points than Riemann, and if you solve Riemann it's worth <Dr. Evil>One Million Dollars</Dr. Evil>...


You do have a point there, maybe it's easier than we think?? Like I said earlier, I have coursework to hand in this week (final piece in on Wednesday 9am, then I live in the union bar till January!!!) but once that's done and if my liver is still functioning then I'll start seriously working on this puzzle.
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EvilOverlord
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Should we make a wiki page where people can post which keys they have tried?

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ricksoft
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Hi Again - Richard from RC-Crypt here again.

I've contacted the nice people behind Perplexcity (as they are using my code), and I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying that they did use rccrypt in an unmodified form to encrypt something.

Needless to say, there were no clues on how to determine the key, or what you can expect once it's decrypted.

I've checked the (v1.6 *nix) code and can't find a bug when getting the key from a file (see earlier post from Ashin, p13).
Ashin, if you read this, can you please let me know which version(s) you were using, how you determined the bug and what fix you applied?

If there is a bug and I missed it, I want to fix it for the next release of the code. (I will also give credit on the web site and code history to you...)

Thanks,

Richard.

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neuromancer
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ricksoft wrote:
I've contacted the nice people behind Perplexcity (as they are using my code), and I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying that they did use rccrypt in an unmodified form to encrypt something.


unmodified??? interesting...means we already have the means to decrypt then...I'll work on a way to pass 'dictionary files' to the app so that you can leave it decoding in the backround unattended.
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