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Mikeyj

That's great, thanks Tufty. Something your friend said about structures rang a bell with me. There's a whole family of organic compounds which consist of a square ring structure bound to a five membered ring, the beta-lactams, a family of antibiotics that include penicillin. They wouldn't be lethal to us, but they certainly are to bacteria. Differentyl lethal? Not sure.

[Edit] link to penicillin structure

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:15 am

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c1023 · Boot Joined: 21 Oct 2005 Posts: 58 Location: Hampshire, UK

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:41 am

Mikeyj

can confirm the answer isn't beta lactam, penicillin or ricin (as written there). Considering how Elucidate went, whatever the molecule is, there is going to be another layer of complexity, with the answer being something other than the name of the toxin.

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:19 pm

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Curlytek

Intensity should be measured as the size of the dot, I'd use the diammeter. The central dot is due to transmitted X-rays (ie. X-rays that aren't diffracted by the crystal). I don't think the intensity of the central dot should be used to normalise the others, perhaps use the next biggest dot. Someone with the card will need to do this (my inability to pull a silver card from 45 packs rules me out....)

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:49 pm

Mikeyj

Ok, I've got this one, what sort of accuracy are we talking...should I scan it in and use photoshop? (I think there's a measurement tool isn't there?). I presume it's the relative diameters that we're after, not the actual.

Will do this tonight if I get the chance

**Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:40 am

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ramsfan

not arsenic or rohypnol (I was thinking of a different meaning of lethal, ie of lethe)

**Posted:** Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:05 pm

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lillyplop · Boot Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 52

I tried AIDs and HIV last night but neither were correct. Cant think why they popped into my head but i was reading about toxins and diseases and it kep popping up and the more I thought about it the more it seemed differently lethal. Its lethal in a way that allows you to continue to live for many many years.

**Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:10 am

Mr.C · Guest

Hi,

I was thinking along the lines of food cells last night and came up with "onion". If I recall onion cells have a very simialr structure to the pattern in the image. This also fits is with having "lethal" breath....?

Anyway, it wasn't accepted, so I tried viagra for a laugh (as a solve - not the real thing Wink

) er, yeah, that was wrong too...

**Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:38 pm

simonw2000 · Boot Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 29

I'm thinking something like Bubonic Plague, Smallpox or Rabies. I haven't got the card so I can't check it myself.

**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:18 am

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chichiri · Decorated Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 207

Might it be a cancer, there are many different types of it, and it's very lethal, however I'm guessing that a cancer molecule would be much more complex than this.

Oh well, try at will.

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**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:03 am

Uhtoff · Veteran Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 75

Hi chaps - just found this forum, and frankly wish I'd done before I'd left a few indentations of my head in the wall over some of these puzzles Wink

Just to say I think we must be looking for something that can crystallise, there's no such thing as a cancer 'molecule' per se, and although it could be a fungal or bacterial toxin, they are generally huge complex molecules, often polypeptides with sugars stuck onto them. I think it's unlikely to be a bacteria or virus, and especially not a disease on that basis. I may be wrong about my crystallography, but the card looks like a rotating crystal picture, which would suggest an organic crystalline compound.

**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:44 am

chichiri · Decorated Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 207

Just looking at the card catalog, and this is the only siver maze card that's onsolved, also noticed that all other silver mazes were much simpler than made out to be, so maybe this one in incredibly simply obvious too, i dunno, also I'm terrible at biology btw.

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**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:49 am

lillyplop · Boot Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 52

After reading the previous posts, I thought I would try something simple. Water!

Guess what......wrong again!

**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:52 am

chichiri · Decorated Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 207

Uhh, I have no idea what I'm doing, but I found a similar pattern for something called HYDROUS Ca-BEARING MAGNESIUM CARBONATE, again, I have no idea what I'm doing!

Also found something about symmetry in lattices, dunno if that helps either, but I thought it fitted in with the mirrors clue!

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**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:00 am

chichiri · Decorated Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 207

I found an interesting site that lists the crystallographic diffraction co-ordinates (or whatever) of every crystal, how would I go about comparing these to ours, which numbers am I looking at, if I'm even in the right place?

http://webmineral.com/X-Ray.shtml#2.767

Some of these crystals have reeeeeeealy wierd names, I guess that's what they get for letting everyone who discovered one name it after themselves. JohnSomervilleite Laughing

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**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:48 am