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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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cthrag yaska
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No solution, just a note of what I've tried:

I'm new to Perplexcity, and only got this card last week. I held off from looking through this thread until I'd had a chance to think about it over the weekend. My reasoning went similar to ideas at the beginning of the thread: they cannot want a proof of Riemann's hypothesis; even if they did, there's no way anyone would enter it word-for-word, character-for-character perfect; even if they did, it would never fit in the edit box. This chain, plus the mathematical connection gave me an "ah-ha" of trying Fermat's marginal notes:

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I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which, however, the margin is not large enough to contain.


(also using "edit box" in place or "margin"). I then sent an email asking if I was vaguely in the right direction, and was it worth trying to get the wording right (or even trying the original Latin), or try something completely different. Their reply was:

Quote:
Thanks for your email. Neither of your answers are correct (nor the spirit in which they are written!).


Which suggests that allusion to Fermat's marginal note isn't the answer (and I was so sure I'd got it....)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:32 pm
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GasparLewis
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I can safely confirm that the Claymath and Wolfram sites are strictly OOG, if perhaps resources.

The Clay Prizes are an absolute fact, and existed far before even Syzygy.
And Wolfram... well, being a math nerd, I'd visited it long, long before PXC.

If we want to go at it the literal way, then those are the places to go, but otherwise a dead end.

(Though I do enjoy goofng around with the 3D geometry Java applets... Very Happy )

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oliverkeers13
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Well I have 2 of this card, they both have black smudges in the middle at the top, but they are in different places, and of different shapes. However, there is a diagonal line in the I of CITY of PERPLEXCITY which appears in both.
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locqust
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I got the same smudges
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poozleModerator
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I got the same bit in my i, and a smudgey bit in the top silvery bit.

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The First Speaker
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The line in the I of CITY is on all the cards; it's just white in the rest as this card has inverted colours in the info bar.

My card DOESN'T have the marks in the silver at the top, so I don't see how it can be anything significant Sad

There must be something in the text we are missing, some little clue as to what the puzzle is all about. I've read and re-read it numerous times though and still can't make head to tail of it Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:08 pm
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TheBoy
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Having just examined this card under a microscope I can confirm that the smudge at the top and in the I of PERPLEXCITY appear to nothing more than just printing smudges. Sad
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poozleModerator
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If you look at the card it doesn't actually ask you to prove this, it just tells you about it. I am examining this card to see if there is anything on it of any use, question like, but I can't find anything except other smudges and things (like between the h and i on the while at the beginnning of the 2nd paragraph) which I'm sure are completely useless.

EDIT: I was going to try entering the prime mentioned on the card 7235733 digits long as the answer to thing, i found a text file with it in BUT its still being downloaded, I've got 3mb left to go, lol, will let ya know how I get on (btw the file is here. I don't recomend trying it though, I've got to remove the enters from it now.

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doublecross
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It was trying that very thing that I established that the maximum length that the text box will work with when you press submit as 1950 characters or thereabouts. Entering that number of characters from the largest prime is not the correct answer.
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poozleModerator
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Thanks for telling me that, I've just saved my computer from a long time of removing lines from the thing, LOL

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TheBozzball
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This isn't even an idea, but if you have a many-to-one code where
A,R->7
I->2
E,N->3
M->5

then RIEMANN reads 7235733. My point is that they are both 7 characters long and end with double characters. This is not much of a point.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:26 pm
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ryandrew
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I emailed hintsSPLATperplexcity.com a few days ago, saying this:

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Ok, everyone is clueless. Since we did so very, very well today (with the solving of Elucidate!), can you please tell me if this is indeed what you are asking us to do: "We have to prove or disprove Riemann's Hypothesis."
Because nobody in the world has solved it, so even if we came up with
proof it couldn't be accepted, because that would mean you have to have solved it.
Which you haven't. Also, if you HAD solved it, what's to say your proof differed from ours?
So, do we have to do one of these? :
1)Actually prove or disprove it
2)Find a hidden puzzle somewhere on the card?


I know it was cheeky, and a little rude, but I thought I would push my luck. Afterall, the worst that could happen was nothing!
And lo and behold, today this came:
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Hello Ryan,

Thanks for your email. Everything you need to solve this card is on the card.

Best regards,

Perplex City Customer Service


So, we don't need to crazily research functions and such. Any ideas?
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locqust
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Well basically that brings us back to the "secret message" idea.

Lets face it they wouldnt put a puzzle on a card that would win you $1 million if solved for a game to win £100,000! Or would they....

Only a couple of things I can think of.

Either we need to rearrange or take away some of the visible letters on the card.

or

find a hidden message on the card itself, by UV, IR or even X ray!?!

But this is stuff already mentioned before.

Just looking quickly at the card has anybody else noticed that the equation is slightly blurred around the edges? printing error? or possibly something else?
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Sherlock Gnome
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oliverkeers13 wrote:
von's hint:
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You're not the only one having trouble! It's been baffling brains for over a hundred years. Check http://mathworld.wolfram.com/riemannhypothesis.html


Guys and Gals

New to this thread, just been getting overly perplexed on Polar and disappeared up my own bumhole for a week chasing dead ends and contacting the CIA for tips. Lone behold the answer was staring me right in the face all along.

off topic yes, explanation none.

Is it just me or is the link on von's hint non-existent or out of date? It opens an expired page then transfers me to another? Is it a secret hint?

Also, I think we're on the right track sticking to the card and deciphering a hidden question, I'm intrigued to know why they bothered to mention the use of primes in internet security when talking about riemann?

Maybe something to do with encryption techniques used by web companies to decipher.......blah blah somebody shoot me.

Is it me or is there two tones of black within the title box on the card. Just to the left of Riemann there appears to be a darker black looking like its covering a word? Anybody else got the same?

('Locky!')

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Belogroak
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[quote="Sherlock Gnome
Is it just me or is the link on von's hint non-existent or out of date? It opens an expired page then transfers me to another? Is it a secret hint?

[/quote]

No Sherlock its not just you. The link is actually case sensitive to the R and H and should be RiemannHypothesis not riemannhypothesis.

Given that this article refers several times to a "critical line" or "critical strip" likelihood is that the line on the card others have mentioned holds the key.

Alternatively, it may just be some obscure connection to a Beautiful mind and neuro-inhibitors!

Regards

Bel

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