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[Jakeo]

Digging around on the site listed above, and you could also try looking at this software:

http://www.jcrystal.com/

I don't have the card so I'm not entirely sure how relevant it is, but one of you chemistry types might be able to pick it up and run with it.

[ramsfan]

From the perspective of find an answer then work out why, I tried anagrams of lethal. Haven't entered any as possilbe answers. Got excited when I found that thalle was part of a cryptogam. Sadly it's french, and thallus doesn't sound so likely. And cryptogams? They're ferns, mosses and mushrooms. Thalle bordered Gallilee, Alleth is an abbreviation for all ethernet, and Hellat only exists as a name. It did ask "do you mean at hell" and I was tempted to say yes.

[sherbet]

elo, well im new here too, this is my first post, but i did have a looksee round the other week, whilst suffering trauma over that bloomin close up card!heres what ive tried with regards to this card, have to say its my first silver,and i do really like the pretty hologrammy edges, id like some shoes like that, but i digress...

[lillyplop]

I hold my hands up to you science dudes and dudettes (being a politically correct country and all)! I thought I was being smart trying water! Maybe I was just being simple! Then I started to think about things that crystalise and a gigantic toffee apple popped into my head. I was lost after that!

I am now trying to forget about the picture and concentrate on how something could be differently lethal. I am not not sure we are looking for a toxin or a disease. I think we are over thinking the card, I mean each one is supposed to be solvable with everything you can get easy to hand.

Like your idea about shoes Sherbet! A bit of glitter and we set for christmas!

I am off to Kingston now for a little r&r, shopping on the hubbies credit card!

2 weeks til Christmas.....are you ready?

[oliverkeers13]

What this really reminds me of is petri dishes, full of diseases, with various antibiotics and what-have-you killing them. The grey could represent the disease, and the black the bits where they have been killed. I tried (and failed) with

[Uhtoff]

For some reason hall of mirrors made me think of doors to perception...tried and failed with

[Ueno]

Vons clue about entering deadly halls of mirrors put me in mind of the bruce lee film enter the dragon and its famous scene, and so onto chasin the dragon, i tried heroin, morphine and other names but no luck. the card looks a bit like drug test cards we use at work (only slightly) for testing urine and blood for illicit substances. the numbers on our cards map to different substances all of them differently lethal. anyway, used my 3 guesses for today! However i think it is most likely to be an x-ray diffaction image of some type of drug.
re lees death
Foul play was immediately suspected as having a role in Lee's passing. . The press soon uncovered the truth, however, and demanded to know what Chow was trying to cover up. R.D. Teare, a professor of forensic medicine at the University of London who had overseen more than 90,000 autopsies, was called in and declared that it was basically impossible for the cannabis to be a factor in Lee's death. In Teare's opinion, the edema was caused by hypersensitivity to either meprobamate or aspirin, or a combination of both. His view was accepted by authorities, and a determination of "misadventure" was stamped on Lee's death.
anyone tried cannabis? or aspirin, salicylic acid?

[European Chris]

Could it possibly be a chemical from PPC? It's not ceretin, I've tried a few from Cognivia's webiste but to no avail. Do we know any names for the device which killed Fran Mendling?

[Uhtoff]

Difficult to know what they are trying to get at here, are they expecting us to decode that X-Ray diffraction pattern (fairly high end physical chemistry I'd think), or do they just want to take away that it's a substance that forms crystals? Either way the answer couldn't be a mixture of things like cannabis, it would have to be tetrahydrocannabinoid or THC. If it's the former then it very unlikely to be a chemical from PPC, the latter then I guess anything goes. The answer to Polar leans me towards the latter (in that all the co-ords told us was that it was Antarctica, the precise location wasn't important), but a lot of other questions have been very specific.

fwiw, I think the structure is likely to be a hexagonal crystal, but none of them on that mineral site liked above were things that are famously lethal (apart from arsenic, but that's already been tried ).

[Wowbagger]

If this is indeed a diffraction pattern representing a drug, I thought it was most likely to represent something significant in the development of the diffraction technique.

A little research revealed that one of, if not the first drugs to have its structure solved was isoniazid, which is an antimicrobial agent used in the treatment of TB. Conveniently it is lethal to mycobacteria (as well as giving human livers a bit of a battering half the time) and is an isomer of nicotinic acid, also known as niacin or vitamin B3.

Seemed like such a good idea but all of the following are wrong:

[sherbet]

hmmmm, do you think were thinking too much? shouldnt be this complicated, should it? Ive never had a silver before, and i dont want to look at the answers to other silvers, as i dont want to ruin it fer when i get em, but i reckon its somat so simple, were all overlooking it! (i thought water was a good idea btw! infact theres been loads of fab ideas, that shouldve been right!)anyway, onto todays fails...

[thecjfthistle]

Hi Guys

Just a few trains of thought - they may derail in the long run, but here we go:

1) It's not actually a molecule at all - it's merely a picture that has been simulated as a molecule and then "put through" the crystallography (e.g. if we were to take a Swastika, make up a molecule that looked like it, then ran it through the crystallography program....)?

2) If it is a molecule, then the thread so far has concentrated on things which tend to "Kill" when ingested or somehow absorbed into the body - but there is another type of chemical which can kill another way - what about an explosive? I know it's not TNT, but there may be scope to follow this up....?

Anyway, just hypothesising while sipping port on a saturday night - let the speculation begin.

Merry Crystalmas to all, and to all a good night.

[lillyplop]

No shoes Sherbet but I did buy a nice top for the christmas party!

This card is beginning to suck the life and soul out of me! This and the other silvers that are yet to be solved! I mean, they are supposed to be stand alone cards that anyone can solve with a computer and internet access.

Differently lethal?

LETHAL - baleful, dangerous, deathly, destructive, devastating, fatal, harmful, hurtful, malignant, mortal, mortiferous, mortuary, murderous, necrotic, noxious, pernicious, pestilent, pestilential, poisonous, virulent

DEADLY - baleful, baneful, bloodthirsty, bloody, cannibalistic, carcinogenic, cruel, dangerous, death-dealing, deathly, deleterious, destroying, destructive, fatal, grim, harmful, homicidal, injurious, internecine, killing, lethal, malignant, mortal, murderous, noxious, pernicious, pestiferous, pestilent, pestilential, poisonous, ruthless, savage, slaying, suicidal, toxic, unrelenting, venomous, violent, virulent

What about Venom? Or Pesticides? Lethal but in the correct circumstances non lethal. I mean Venom is not deadly to the snake?

DIFFERENTLY - abnormally, adversely, antagonistically, antithetically, asymmetrically, conflictingly, contradictorily, contrarily, contrastingly, contrastively, discordantly, disparately, dissimilarly, distinctively, divergently, diversely, hostilely, incompatibly, incongruously, individually, negatively, nonconformably, oppositely, poles apart, separately, uniquely, unusually, variously, vice versa

OTHERWISE DEADLY - too much of it could kill you , enough of it could keep you alive?

Ooooh now I have a film in my head about a man who was dying and he had to inject himself with a poison, to keep the disease at bay, too much would kill him so he had to be really careful? Or maybe my mind is now making things up to make me les inadequate!

I wonder what my dreams are going to be tonight? Need...more....caffeine......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Belogroak]

Ok based on Von's Hint (so spoilered):

[totoro]

hey i'm just starting this but i've got a few ideas, i dont have the card but...