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chichiri · Decorated Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 207

Well, I'm looking at my card in my beautiful new album, and I got no dot on my s, there also doesn't seem to be a dot on the one in the card catalog, or on the pxc site.

I can only see one of the words in the background, but it is definitely the same characters as the 466 in the second from bottom line.

Makes me wonder how a student can put this kind of hidden text into his/her note in the middle of a lesson, they must be considerably fluent in hebrew and whatever the other encryption is to do it without a computer.

no da

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:43 am

Ueno · Greenhorn Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 4

http://www.americanrevwar.homestead.com/files/HALE.HTM

this site mentions history, hale and cipher, it sounds like this guy was a schoolmaster, a spy. looks like a possible clue, will look more deeply

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:32 am

Ueno · Greenhorn Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 4

http://ursamajor.hartnet.org/als/nathanhale/trail.htm

this looks interesting as well

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:44 am

ReeKorl

A thought on that XY=600 on the blackboard - If people are passing a message which has been coded, they may need a key that both will know without actaully passing the key with the message. Could the XY=600 be that key? It sort of fits with the rest of the numbers, and it's got to be there for a reason (considering it's a silver).

An additional thought, possibly useless but I'll mention it nonetheless - I've seen XORing a code referred to as XY'ing it also.

Finally, just found this snippet:

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:25 pm

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tomkirkman · Greenhorn Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 5

Assuming for now that we're looking for a famous historical cipher to convert these numbers into characters...

Does anyone own a copy of "Codes, Ciphers & Other Cryptic & Clandestine Communication: Making and Breaking Secret Messages from Hieroglyphs to the Internet"

This looks like the most complete reference to historical ciphers that I can find.

I'm also assuming that once we have this string of characters we'll need to apply another famous cipher to get the plain text?

**Posted:** Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:13 pm

Escapist · Boot Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 14 Location: Guernsey

I kind of lost track of what was happening with converting the words to numbers but maybe we could use this to convert them back or something. To be honest I have no idea what's going on...

**Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:43 pm

Stiltskin · Greenhorn Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 7 Location: England

has anyone tried looking at this card under UV light?

**Posted:** Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:17 am

HiveMind · Greenhorn Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 6

There are dim letters on the stem of the R which spell out the chars 2, 10 and 11. From left to right top to bottom, a no7 shape to each repectively.

**Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:22 pm

HiveMind · Greenhorn Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 6

Ok that number is 464 after translation.

**Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:25 pm

cronogenesis

Hoy all, I'm moving in. Myself and hive are looking at one or two ideas so I'll post the findins up soon.

**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:16 am

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Belogroak · Boot Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 49

Hi all

Got sent a set of cards a couple of weeks ago, and am loving them! I was totally confused by this one, until I started reading the board.

This is my first post so hope I am not sending people on a wild goose chase, and it is merely my mind speculating a little....

On the white card above the message there are 2 calculus formula's the first relate to Matrices and Normal Tangent vectors. I can't make out the integration formula sufficiently to determine what it relates to however, but its possibly a geometric progression.

I was speculating about Von's message - "count....twice" and the fact that there is two forms of counting on the card. Could it be two mathematical ciphers? the first a gematria conversion (geometric?) the second a matrix cipher with the message coverted to vectors.(N.B. One of the original matrix ciphers was called ceasar's cipher.) The key being either the hidden number, or 600?

As a side note: R (as formulated by the shape of the note) stands for Riemann in notational form.

Unfortunately speculation is about as far as I got, because my calculus, matrix translation and hebrew are a little rusty (not that they were much good in the first place!)

Will see what I can do when I can spare a half a week to grind out the numbers!

Regards

Bel

**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:48 pm

Belogroak · Boot Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 49

Oh and on that Riemann's connection...meet Professor Hales:

http://www.math.pitt.edu/~thales

Claimed to have solved the Riemann hypothesis in 1998.

**Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:34 am

choob · Greenhorn Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 3

Think we may have some kind of a breakthrough here. Nathan Hale was a spy in the American Civil War and under George Washington used a code created by Major Benjamin Tallmadge. This code substituted words for numbers from 1 - 700. The code book can be seen here http://memory.loc.gov/mss/mgw/mgw4/094/0000/0061.jpg and here http://memory.loc.gov/mss/mgw/mgw4/094/0000/0062.jpg. Unfortunately I can't get the message to make much sense at the moment and this combinedwith some very poor handwriting is making it difficult to decipher completely. Possibly the R layout of the original code may come into play here.

**Posted:** Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:41 am

choob · Greenhorn Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 3

On a further search through the Library of Congress archives I came across this code which also claims to be that used by the Culper spy ring which Hale was a member of. This appears more promising. Still doesn't entirely make sense but think it's got a better chance.

http://memory.loc.gov/mss/mgw/mgw4/094/0000/0022.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/mss/mgw/mgw4/094/0000/0023.jpg

**Posted:** Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:29 am

Stiltskin · Greenhorn Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 7 Location: England

I don't expect it to help, but I did run the hebrew through an online translator and:

הש ח בנש חר
ויש דפש גצת דסר
הר נ חסת דר גכק
כך גלך גמק
ה אכר
וסת זיה
זפת ביש

turned into:

; street that predicted h that was
; rsd ttsg shpd sojourned
Mountain were a lettuce of dwells gck
So your wave gmk
; rca the
Regulator zia
Bad tar

Just thought I'd share
Smile

**Posted:** Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:13 am