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SteveC · Unfettered Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 381

A couple of things strike me.

1/ I'm not disagreeing, I do think this is x-ray crystalography, but has anyone actually seen one like this before? I've had a look at the XP software mentioned at the start of this thread and can't make much sense of it. It would help me a lot as it would be nice to get some sort of meaning for the mass of the dots, and for their relative location...

2/ Are people ignoring the main puzzle in favour of the title for their answers? I'm not clear on it, but that seems to be the case. Don't forget that there's nigh on no link between "elucidate" and the answer to it, and the link between 13th labour and it's answer is pretty abstract. Seems like a dead end of logic to me...

**Posted:** Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:55 pm

Nightingale · Veteran Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 86

More fails:

**Posted:** Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:18 pm

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space cadet · Boot Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 13 Location: Derby

I've just had my first silver and it's one that hasn't been solved � so pleased!!

I've had two goes, following the crystal idea (hall of mirrors?) and something lethal and it is not:

**Posted:** Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:04 pm

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poozle · Entrenched Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 1090

Don't worry, my first silver was elucidate just after it was released, I also have riemann, shuffled, thirteenth labour and differantly lethal, notice a pattern there, up until a few week ago all were unsolved.

**Posted:** Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:04 pm

Mikeyj

SteveC,

I agree, working our way through the Merck index, guessing vaguely toxic compounds is not going to get us anywhere. It's an extremely slow brute-force. We've not actually solved the structure from the crystallography yet...something I said I'd have a go at previously, foiled by the tendancy of university staff to disappear about a month either side of any holiday. It's not my field so I need help.

In terms of background information check out the wikipedia entry on x-ray crystallography and also the Nobel prize winners responisble for developments in the field, Max von Laue, William Bragg, his son Lawrence Bragg who seem to be the originators of the technique, and also the guys mentioned by the wikipedia article Max Perutz and John Kendrew the first to successfully solve the structure of a complex biological molecule.

If the answer was simply something to do with X-ray crystallography, there would be no need to include the numbers on the card, so perhaps solving the structure is the key. What else do we know from the card?

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:02 am

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space cadet · Boot Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 13 Location: Derby

I know more thought is needed, but y'know, it's not exactly easy when it's a specialist subject like this. I have just emailed the image to a scientist in russia and I shall be sending it to my brother who works in a university physics library too.

We'll get there!!

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:34 pm

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Hobbess · Kl00 Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 42 Location: Glasgow

google image searching for ages and have now tried

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:39 pm

lauriek · Boot Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 68 Location: Kent, UK

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:27 pm

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Catsworth · Boot Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

Is there any way that someone could make me a transparent version of the image (or just an image with a white background, I need to overlay it over another image and see both at the same time), with just the dots and numbers on please?

I've got the basis of an idea forming in my mind, but I need an image for it and I'm no good with graphics at all Sad

Cheers

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:05 pm

Juxta · Unfettered Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 675

Well, rack up the following as "nil points" attempts:-

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:06 pm

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Catsworth · Boot Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

Ok, this is a long shot (and apologies for posting it in both the Riemann and the Differently Lethal threads) but.....

Differently Lethal?

A different way of dying?

What about "Death By Puzzle"?

Which just happens to be the rating that this puzzle:

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=firebox&action=product&pid=1032

Has been given by Firebox, as far as I can see this is the only puzzle that they have rated!! Also add to that the fact that this is the only page on the site that specifically mentions Riemann.....

Oh, and I'm starting to think (although it could just be because it's late) that the picture on the card for Differently Lethal looks a little bit like this puzzle.....maybe.....

Am I way off base here?

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:53 pm

Hobbess · Kl00 Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 42 Location: Glasgow

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space cadet · Boot Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 13 Location: Derby

Good one Catsworth, they even call it Perplexing! I reckon they're winding us up over at FBHQ!

I thought I'd try another one as I haven't heard anything from anyone, so went for:

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:36 pm

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Catsworth · Boot Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

**Posted:** Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:01 pm