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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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Catsworth
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That suggestion appears on this page of the site as well:

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=firebox&action=product&pid=1032

I'm thinking that the picture of the toy in question is strangely familiar.....

PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:42 pm
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Catsworth
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Ok, this is a long shot (and apologies for posting it in both the Riemann and the Differently Lethal threads) but.....

Differently Lethal?

A different way of dying?

What about Death By Puzzle?

Which just happens to be the rating that this puzzle:

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=firebox&action=product&pid=1032

Has been given by Firebox, as far as I can see this is the only puzzle that they have rated!! Also add to that the fact that this is the only page on the site that specifically mentions Riemann.....

Oh, and I'm starting to think (although it could just be because it's late) that the picture on the card for Differently Lethal looks a little bit like this puzzle.....maybe.....

Am I way off base here?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:52 pm
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Catsworth
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Re: Hmmm

TeamMfM wrote:
Ok here is something i scrambled (and it is!) on the card amd it comes out as distain - v. t. 1. To tinge with a different color from the natural or proper one; to stain; to discolor; to sully; to tarnish; to defile; - used chiefly in poetry


Poetry ?

Poetry Rhymes.....

Riemann ?

Riemann rhymes with Rhymin' .....

Hmmm, this handful of straws I just clutched is getting kinda itchy, maybe I'll put them down now.....

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:53 pm
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nichtwahr
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Thinking rather laterally: JD Salinger. He's the (Catcher in the) Rye Man.

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ramsfan
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I'd not read or forgotten the post about "distain". I've been back through previous posts to understand the chain, but don't get what you scrambled. The reason I'm interested is that a friend has been going on about the link with inks and printers. This is because the tube lines on the visitor's card are named after inks or dyes and have some similarity to the Riemann equation (way off I suspect), the perplex being in a different colour, and the possibility of proof meaning a printer's proof, given the tiny errors we've spotted. Also talking to him about this today, trying to think of any links with the group Deep Purple, given the colour of perplex. He's tried inputting a clean version of the equation, ie without the full stop after infinity and the answer box doesn't accept the mathematical symbols.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:42 am
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fretty
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Just to add to Catsworth's argument, in the winter firebox catalogue, it mensions the same things:

1. It says at the bottom of page 14: "Can't solve Riemann's Hypothesis? Then try one of our (only) slightly easier brain busters."

2. Then on these two pages there are many puzzles but they have all been given the ranks explained by Catsworth not just the one puzzle.

3. At the top of the page in the border is a kind of "proof" for working out the distance between two coordinates and it gives the formula. This could play a part in this card or maybe in Differently Lethal with the coordinates of the points and the "death by puzzle" argument.

Don't know if this is relevant but seems so.

Edit: Missed it earlier but there is an email address written backwards on the side of a picture of one of those lost cube signs:

aylen.piperSPLATperplexcityacademygames.com

What should be sent to this address?

P.S.Hope I got it right, never posted an email before.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:41 am
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tally
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If, as ramsfan suggests, the answer box won't accept mathematical equations, perhaps catsworth's suggestion is correct? Perhaps the "proof" is a corrected copy of the text, as in having been proofread?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:24 am
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RoyalRumble
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Just a wide guess, but maybe the fact that the word city is in white means that this card provides us with a clue at where the cube can be found.

After all that is what we are looking for, aren't we all?

Besides that, I do think the colon in the equation shouldn't be there.
As EvilOverlord wrote:
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The colon means that the equation is the definition of the zeta function and not just a property which the zeta function happens to have.


Doesn't this mean if the equation is the definition of the Zeta function this is always true? I've read several pieces concerning the Riemann Hypothesis in Dutch and in none of them I saw a colon. So I checked the original piece by Riemann and found that there isn't a colon in his equation also. Therefore what we see on the card isn't the Riemann Zeta Function, but something very similar.

Well maybe I am just dead wrong here I don't know. It's been almost twelve years ago for me since my last class of math.

Also have any of you guys noticed that there is a small dot at the right bottom of the infinite-sign (I don't quite know how this is called in English, but I mean the fallen eight)?

Keep on searchin'

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fretty
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Just a thought but the card just hints at prime numbers, maybe telling you to look at the prime numbered cards, which contain the playing cards and the hidden message. Since the playing cards are believed to be for Shuffled, the hidden message may contain the real question for Riemann.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:03 am
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poozleModerator
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We've been told all of the cards can be solved irrespective of any others so I doubt it, although with this anything is possible.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:27 pm
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True Royal, But no one said there wasnt a puzzle not connected to any one card. Intended to be solved with the whole set complete. ... Shuffled may be solveable without any clues. But there might be more to it than just that card.

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travelling performer?
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Having been reading around on a few of the unsolved cards, i was reminded of something.

I may be wrong and im sure a whole forum will know more than i would. But i was certain i read somewhere at some time (although i cant source it), that every card can be solved irrespective of any other. Which would include shuffled.

I have been under the belief that the images (cards and smudges) on cards, related to the mystery of the receda cube, and not card puzzles. Although i may be wrong.

Mind Candy have stated everything you need to solve Riemann is on the card. I dont have it yet, gonna pick it up on ebay soon. But heres my thoughts.

MC cant determine whether you can disprove it or not. The riddle is on there for one reason. To see if by a miracle a perplex player actually solves this unsolved mystery. And the money is a real prize.

But while they're offering us a chance at this puzzle, the likelihood is we're not going to solve it. The real puzzle must be somewhere on the card, as mindcandy have stated.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:33 pm
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lillyplop
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http://primes.utm.edu/primes/lists/all.txt

On this website page, its shows that 2 larger prime numbers have now been identified. Maybe they want an update to the last comment?

1b 2^30402457-1 9152052 G9 2005 Mersenne 43??
2 2^25964951-1 7816230 G8 2005 Mersenne 42??
3 2^24036583-1 7235733 G7 2004 Mersenne 41??
4 2^20996011-1 6320430 G6 2003 Mersenne 40??
5 2^13466917-1 4053946 G5 2001 Mersenne 39?

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groovygirl20
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flobadob

i think that the idea that u copy the whole text in is cool but maybe....

u no theres a colon and a fullstop thats not sposed to be there then maybe it means u have to proof read it and check with another website and just type in ":." .... omg thats the therefore sign in maths... maybe its something to do with that??

im currently selling this card on ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6242283342


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i have two of these cards and only one has the dot underneath the infinity sign... only just noticed that! the dot is on the one which has the line down it (as seen on some silver cards!)

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BBuck
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This card is driving me up the wall.

The style in which it is written comes across to me as a bit strange. It's been said before that the answer might be in the form of a proofed version, but I don't know how you would input this, especially as the answer box is case insensitive.

I wonder if capitals might be key:

i) Though there are still larger font capitals at the beginning of sentences, proper nouns, etc, the whole card is written in them - might be a way to hide these better.
ii) "City" in white, whereas the other cards are in black, might refer to a "capital" in a different sense (standing out as one of a kind "city") and be a hint to find the puzzle.
iii) the third initial of the name is wrong, again drawing attention to the larger font capitals.
iv) Most sources don't capitalise "zeta" (wikipedia, Mathworld, Sabbagh's book, Prime Pages, etc). Here it's not capitalised all the time: the first two occurrences are, but not the third in the definition of the Hypothesis.
v) Von's hint gave an incorrect link, as it didn't include capitals.
vi) "internet" is normally capitalised.
vii) The final two sentences are a bit odd. Most writers would create a new sentence rather than "- and if it isn't," and the additional sentence in brackets seems like an add-on.

Taking the larger font capitals gives:

PFAWHGGFGRZRZRHRITA

Working with this might yield something sensible. Trying a simple substitution with P=R, F=I, A=E, W=M, H=A, G=N gives
RIEMANNIN_____A___E

But I don't like the look of RZRZRHR.

Any thoughts welcome, especially if you feel I'm heading off in completely the wrong direction.

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