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Catsworth · Boot Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

I notice that a couple of people have mentioned the Riemann connections within this card.....have we done any work on tying it up with the "Riemann" silver card at all?

Or have we discounted any possibility of a link between the two?

**Posted:** Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:23 pm

Maxamus · Boot Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 13

how would the two cards link
this card is driving me crazy

**Posted:** Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:40 pm

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Maxamus · Boot Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 13

I was looking more closly at this card and noticed two things:

**Posted:** Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:59 pm

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BBuck · Decorated Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 184

For completeness, I tried the digraph idea (see above) with some possible cribs and got some recognisable plaintext and keytext, but not enough for it to be more than coincidence.

Still hard to find much on the Great Cipher, even on French pages. But I now think this was a blind alley too: the cipher was based on numbering the most common 587 syllables. I doubt XY is the 600th most common English syllable (are there many xylophonists out there, though?).

A new thought, tying in with the equations mentioned above: could this be a Hill Cipher (see here)?

**Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:02 am

Maxamus · Boot Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 13

**Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:18 pm

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Snaker · Greenhorn Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 5

Hello all,

Im a Hebrew speaker so i will translate the few words in the text that make sense. I'm not sure will it help or not.

1st word (from the right) in line 2 is "and there is"

1st word in line 3 is "mountain"

1st word in line 4 is "so"

1st word in line 6 is "regulator" or "period"

1s word in line 7 is "asphalt", 2nd word is "bad" or "ill"

I tried to assamble some anagrams but nothing made much sense.

**Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:56 pm

fretty

I think that the hill cipher is definitely the way to go as the XY=600 and the matrix algebra.

Also the nxn matrix needed has connections with the factors of 600 but that would mean lots and lots of matrices to check.

**Posted:** Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:08 am

Maxamus · Boot Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 13

hi i used my uv light on the card but it wasnt a strong enough light
so im gonna buy a stronger one Very Happy

**Posted:** Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:03 pm

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minnie the third · Greenhorn Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 6 Location: UK

New here - has anyone done work on the book _" The Code Book:
The Science of Secrecy from Ancient Egypt to Quantum Cryptography
by Simon Singh
Anchor Books, August 2000
ISBN: 0385495323

One reader says: "THE CODE BOOK is a beatuful overview of the history of cryptography. The book takes the reader from the simple ciphers of history (this is where Mary Queen of Scots comes in, but I thought that story was fairly far in the background), through the fairly radical improvements of the rennaisance, and truly shines in the discussion of the WWII Enigma machine and the truly amazing response of the English decoding aparatus. It appears that much material only recently became declassified, allowing Singh to discuss Enigma and the English code-breaking operation. Finally, Singh gets to the efforts to produce computer cryptography and the recent innovations that culminate in the "public key" encryption and the controversy over the PGP (pretty good privacy) program."

http://www.wkmn.com/newsite/refer.html

?

Not sure if this is just a result of an internet search red herring or a new lead cos you lot seem to be going to the far end of a Fart on numbers and not getting anywhere.

I only discovered the "CITY" on the day of kings or 3 days following the Saturnalia

minnie the third · Greenhorn Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 6 Location: UK

Sorry to seem a little intoxicated but Hebrew+Mountian+Christmas = 10 commandments. If I am wrong - hey I am sorry. If I am right - hey get a life, loosen up and have a glass of wine, it worked for me. HIC!
Normal sevice will be resumed in the morning.

fretty

One more thought, about the twice as hard part, maybe we are looking for a cipher that has a keyspace which is twice as much as another.

EDIT:

another thought, what about this cipher. References to matices, digraphs and the number 2 quite alot as 2 matrices are used (twice as hard). It is like playfair but you need a key. Also you may have to turn your numbers into digraphs.

Is this relevant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-square_cipher

**Posted:** Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:58 am

Maxamus · Boot Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 13

i was thinking if we could get someone to translate the text into letters then use fretty idea of two-way ciphers it might lead to the awnser

just an idea

**Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:26 pm

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MDAV · Kilroy Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1

Ciphers of History

**Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:37 pm

Jakeo

Welcome on board!

What you noticed hasn't been spotted before, great work! It must have taken enough effort to actually mean something, but I too am at a loss to suggest what.

I'm sure this new revelation will have people's brains racing over the next weekend. Here's hoping one of us nails a solve!

**Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:01 pm

ALISDAIRPARK

I'm taking a look at this one now, mainly as there doesn't seem to be as many working on it as the other silvers.

I currently think this is tied in with the Atbash cipher, which seems a strong answer based on the hebrew, and on the History in the title. This is a "simple" substitution cipher, although Von's clue says it will be twice as hard...

I think I've identified the hebrew characters, although it's hard as a few are quite similar, but see below. If any hebrew readers want to check it?

I'll do the substitution next, but depending what comes up, who knows the steps after that...

**Posted:** Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:13 pm

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