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[oliverkeers13]

Okay, I'm really thinking aloud here, but I think that perhaps, as the board says xy=600, and if you assign each letter with a number, where A=1 and Z=26, then they multiply together to make it. I think that we may need to multiply the letters together using the same system. However, as there are letters in the Hebrew alphabet that aren't in the English one (Ch and Sh) I think we may need to use the same system but with the Hebrew letters, so Aleph = 1 and Tav = 27 (this assumes that the two forms of the letter are counted seperately. I have done this because the hint involved the word "twice" which I take to mean the two forms of the letters). so the message reads (Right to left, as hebrew is read)
5x26 8 2x16x26 8x25
6x10x26 2x20x26 3x22x27 4x18x25
5x25 16 8x18x27 4x25 3x11x24
11x12 3x13x12 3x14x24
5 1x11x25
6x18x27 7x10x5
7x20x27 2x10x26

which is equal to:

130 8 832 200
1560 1040 1782 1800
132 468 1008
5 275
2916 350
3780 520

Don't know where to go from here, though...

[ALISDAIRPARK]

It's probably some combination of the two methods, as it's twice as hard...

I'd read about the number cipher too, but it's supposed to be more or less unbreakable, as the number you end up with could have so many variations. For example the 130, could be 13 J's (OK I know that's not a word...), or 5 Z's etc. On top of that, where do you stop with the calculation? i.e. do you then go on and multiply the rows etc. until you end with 1 number?

I'm not saying I don't think it's a way to go, just saying haven't a clue where to go with it!!

The Atbash cipher is a pain too, as there are multiple forms of the same letter, for example the last word in the fourth row, both letters are really the same, just different forms. Wish I'd kept in touch with my Jewish friends at school now...

[ALISDAIRPARK]

Here's my attempt at the code after Atbashing it. Doesn't help me any, does it help anyone else?

Edit: I deleted the attachment as there's a better version posted later on this thread (pg8).

[Lilian]

Hello all i'm new to this but i've been watching from the sidelines
and i think the cihper is in yiddish which is hebrew but altered slightly,the symbols are closer to that than just straight hebrew have a look se what you think http://www.jewfaq.org/yiddish.htm

[fretty]

What if the shape of the text is not a R but one of these letters or a Hebrew letter. I can't seem to spot a similar letter though.

[Phosin]

Hi everyone, another n00b here, although I've been reading the forums for a couple of weeks now.

There's been a lot of talk about the Atbash cipher, but I found another Hebrew cipher called Albam. It's another subtitution cipher, see:

http://everything2.com/?node_id=1404228

I've not tried doing anything with it yet...

[BBuck]

I've fiddled with the Hill cipher, but haven't got anywhere, so have been thinking about different approaches. In particular, I've been wondering about Von's hint.

Assuming we work out how to convert the numbers to letters correctly, we will end up with a further cipher to break. There are so many ciphers of history that this could be timeconsuming. It makes me wonder if Von's clue contains the hint we need. "Count" might be an indicator to the process of conversion, but it might also point to the cipher to use on the letters. Several Counts have developed ciphers, possibly the most famous being Gronfeld (a variant of Vigenere).

But one that I think looks interesting is by a fictional character: Count Sandorf. In the Jules Verne book, he uses a cipher key of a 6*6 square to encipher a message (see here).

Something like this might account for the odd spacing of the characters. The shadowy text being a turn of 90 degrees could also be a hint towards using a similar cipher as well.

If I was on the right lines about the 5-4-5-4-5-4-5 distributions of numbers, and that they represent digraphs, then there would be 64 characters, including spaces, which could mean an 8*8 cipher key (or a 4*4 used four times).

[ajas2]

Something about the printing on this card...

Has anybody noticed how the surface of the card looks like a diffraction grating? (You can see this in some of the eBay auction photos, eg http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/i/05/da/d8/36_1_b.JPG )

I have the card sitting next to me on my desk, and every time I move the surface of the card shimmers.

None of my other cards, not even silvers, have this kind of surface. It extends to within about half a millimetre of the vertical silver border, where you can see a narrow strip which isn't overprinted with this special coating.

My question is, why on earth is the surface of the card covered with this coating? I've tried illuminating it with monochromatic laser light, but the whole area seems to be completely homogeneous. It seems to be a red herring, but a rather elaborate expensive one.

Any clues?

(PS if you can't see it at first, angle your card away from the light and suddenly a red sparkling haze should jump out at you.)

[ALISDAIRPARK]

It hasn't been specifically mentioned so far, but there is no Prof. Hale in the Academy.

So our clues for possble codes are:

Hebrew > Atbash, or similar
xy=600 > Numerical multiplication
Hale > Hale cipher, or similar
Formulae on card > ? some more complex cipher
Shadow writing at 90 degrees > ??

I'm still drawn to Atbash, purely on the use of Hebrew (or Yiddish) characters. But logic also makes me think if we get the correct numbers based on the xy=600 clue, then there could be a message using the Hale one...

[hally]

Hi

Typed the fourth line into google as a URL: 143.233.220 and the following site could be accessed:

http://www.bf1942-fr.com/[url]

Anyone think this has much to do with it???

Hally[/url]

[Maxamus]

[GasparLewis]

Battlefield 1942 was a PC shooter game.
It looks to just be a dead French fansite for it.

Sorry boys, looks like a dead end on this one...

[hally]

Ok, never mind.

Also found this though:

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/[url]

tried typing in the numbers but most of it seems to come out as gibberish. Having said that, there is the possibility of 'mighty tree' in the first line and the last line is 'another oak of the king'.

Have a play and see what you find.

Hally[/url]

[hally]

Soz, that link doesn't work - just stick it in google and it will find it though.

[hally]

Apologies for the continuous posts but I may be on to something. I tried reversing the numbers (so 208 would be 802 etc) and putting them into the translator I pasted and here are some of the lines:

Unto God are my eyes, cruel, silent, imprisonment (line 2)

Enemy shut up... (line 4)

Fugitive enclosure (line 6)

Notice the links with criminality and imprisonment - surely not a coincidence. Can anyone elaborate?