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[Garath]

Oh, good. I'm glad someone's tried the Ciphers of History book, I'd just found out that existed. What book ciphers did you try? First letter and first work from the numbered page? Any others?

--Garath

[fretty]

I've also seen the book. The funny thing is that the book isn't about ciphers but is about:

[hally]

As was already said XY = 600 made up of X=24 and Y=25 (24 X 25 = 600). These, as you will have realised, are the letters positions in the alphabet.

Now, each of these Hebrew symbols has a name:

http://www.followme-series.org/images/templates/hebrew.gif [url]

Would it be a good idea to use the XY idea above with these symbols as they appear together in some way? I've had a pop but am struggling. Perhaps somebody could elaborate on this idea.

Thoughts???

[ALISDAIRPARK]

This site gives the alphabet, although it could actually be the Yiddish alphabet, rather than Hebrew, which you can find on the same site. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference, as the Yiddish comes from the Hebrew, but it would make enough of a difference for breaking the code. Anyway the site gives this is the correct order for the Hebrew (remember you're reading right to left)

http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm

[bilbo_baggins]

Question:

Everyone is trying AtBash as the first cypher but everything I can find on AtBash seems to indicate that only the 22 original hebrew numbers are usen the cipher. From what I can see (I haven't got the card) we have 2 finishing Kaf characters (Line 4, 4th and 7th characters from left).

What is everyone doing to AtBash these?

[ALISDAIRPARK]

Hi Bilbo - I'd previously Atbashed based on a 24 letter Alphabet , I used the 22 letter alphabet giving the result I posted previously, which more or less matches Beglee's on pg1.

I've now decided to ignore that and convert it back to the 22 letter so using Kaf = Khaf
I converted both forms of Kaph to Lamed

I'm still working on Atbash then xy=600 as being the two clues/ codes.

[ALISDAIRPARK]

and here's my workings. The font for the hebrew isn't great, but I've double checked and pretty sure it's right.

No idea where to go with the numbers though. I'd been hoping for a nice easy alphanumeric answer at the end, but can't see anything yet.

[bilbo_baggins]

Something doesn't ring right with just ignoring the fact that 2 of the letters are in their final form. I was looking along the same lines as you, converting the text into ordinal values rather than literal values which gave me 23 for the final Kaf's. As you say, the numbers don't seem to take us anywhere, the distibution doesn't look like an english language distribution and mutlipying takes us in a direction that I have no idea how we'd get back. If we follow the premise of the card, that it's a note passed in school, it would lead you to think that the ciphers should be fairly simple, just a matter of picking the right ones....

[ALISDAIRPARK]

I agree, based on the info on the card you would think the ciphers would be pen & paper ones. As well as which ones it is, the order will also matter though

[angelsk]

Just my 2 cents:

I've been thinking about this. Von's clue said something about it being twice as hard/ twice encrypted.

Has anyone trying ROT-13'ing (or whatever the equiv would be in this alphabet) the current code, then dissecting it, or getting someone who can read Hebrew (?) to translate it?

[ramsfan]

you've produced a set of numbers which all factorise, which is an advance on what we had before. We'd got stuck with some primes. The xy clue suggests that we're not limited to a 22 item code, so perhaps the hebrew is just to produce the numbers, after which we factor. There are of course a lot of differrent ways of factoring to produce letters of the alphabet, eg 160 = 8 x 20, or 5x4x8 or 5x16x2 or 10x16 or 2x10x8 etc and you can have any number of 1's. Hasn't got me anywhere. 2 other thoughts are the rotation of the faint letters, and the clue in which the words are chopped up (ont his). I think gematria and then factoring would be plenty hard enough so even though I like the idea of atbash or the other one I don't think they're necessary for it to feel like a silver. I had wondered if it was something like a 15x7 grid which was then rotated, but your new numbers render that incorrect.

[arieh]

Bible Code

[ALISDAIRPARK]

Ramsfan, were you talking about my numbers? Do they not just factorise because they come from mutliplying the numbers, rather than adding them? Or is that what you meant?

I've been meaning to ask if anyone has tried Von for the clue recently, to see if the "error" is still there? I'm worried it may have just been a mistake...

[unclean]

Possible angle

[bilbo_baggins]

Tried Von's clue 2 days ago, still exactly the same format as previously posted, ie Count ont his