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European Chris
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Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 1264 Location: London's trendy Whitechapel
Kurt does admit the not complete brilliance of his key though and it's a subway station indicating there are lot of tunnels and other entrances to enter the building.
However he does mention there are a dozen people in 'both groups' and the drone does hit him from behind where the people he were running from. So it's probably rubbish.
Frankly, I just wanted to say 'saucy vicar's wife'. *Chuckle
I doubt it's the brotherhood though-all the information that we have on the so far would indicate they are technically durh-brained.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:16 am
Hituro
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duckiemonster wrote:
Frye obviously wasn't in the tunnel where the ?3P agents? were talking, or they wouldn't have been moaning about her. I don't think she arrived until the police got there (if she was there at all... it'd be a rare thing for the chief of police to get mixed up in a sting), hence had no opportunity to meet the ?agents.
Well if she wasn't there, then who pulled off her hood in the line "then one of them removed their helmet. Helena Frye glared at me, lowering her weapon"
I see what you are saying Duckie, but we don't know where was when the police arrived. We know Kurt was spying on the 3P agents, and then the police signals appeared *behind* him, so back towards the entrance. He ran into the side room, they went past him, he ran out towards the entrance (they are behind him now) and chased him towards the entrance. When they caught him Frye was with them ... granted.
But that doens't mean Frye didn't arrange the drop and pickup. The agents were obviously expecting the police, and wanted to be done and dusted by the time they left, so if it was an attempted capture it wasn't a good one! If Frye is behind the police being there at all, as the 3P agents said, then it seems a strange choice, why go to the bother if you want to make sure the 3P agents escaped .... UNLESS the whole point is to catch Kurt and blame him.
Maybe the 3P are worried about the CRT interfering in their work and wanted a way to publically discredit them. After this Frye can say "we police were on top of the 3P, were about to catch them, but then the CRT stuck their nose in and ruined it. leave it to us from now on"
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:20 am
sledgecallier
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Also, having read the blog entry several times now I cannot seen anything that would directly link Frye to 3P. We know that the 3P operatives were awaiting a female conspiritor but there's no evidence that this female was Frye.
The more I think about it the more I'm thinking this was a set up. (Which then opens up the questions of compromised communications channels and whether there are 3P moles on Earth reading web based blogs.)
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:51 am
European Chris
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sledgecallier wrote:
The more I think about it the more I'm thinking this was a set up. (Which then opens up the questions of compromised communications channels and whether there are 3P moles on Earth reading web based blogs.)
I hope not and doubt it. It would be a tacky way to develop the story line-particulary as there is some personal 'who fancies who' stuff on the blogs which other protagonists haven't mentioned.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:04 am
Hituro
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sledgecallier wrote:
Also, having read the blog entry several times now I cannot seen anything that would directly link Frye to 3P. We know that the 3P operatives were awaiting a female conspiritor but there's no evidence that this female was Frye.
You don't think the line
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"...want to know how Frye managed to get the police involved in this. Would've thought that the third wouldn't want to risk..."
Is an indication that Frye is linked to the 3P? It clearly implies that Frye would not have gopt the police involved if the 3P didn't want her too.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:33 am
European Chris
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It could be. However it could also mean that the 3P were aware of Frye investigation and know she is on to them.
It's not an implication of a definite alliance between them though.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:38 am
duckiemonster
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Completely missed the Frye reference. Need more sleep, obviously.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:11 am
jsweby
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It's the wording I find interesting in that sentence.
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"...want to know how Frye managed to get the police involved in this. Would've thought that the third wouldn't want to risk..."
"involved "? Involved suggests to me bringing in to, rather than setting on to, 3P.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:35 am
PuzzledPineapple
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I'll admit that Earth-based agents reading the blogs causes real security problems that would all be resolved if they could magically ignore them, but in this case it could have been as simple as him posting 'I got the emails that you sent me, the CD that sounds good' rather than specifying when and where he was going. While there would be a possibility of 3P listening to the CD and figuring it out, it would be a lot easier to come up with an IG reason why they didn't listen to it as opposed to why they didn't read his blog.
Perhaps for special posts, for really secret stuff, he could go the route of the Advisor and her page, emailing some people with the password. While this isn't totally secure and there would always be some players left out if they don't know what's happening, it would be manageable and a lot better than relying on a dubious reason why 3P can't read his blog.
Given that there's the wonderful 'story so far' on the PXC site that gives away everything we've done which can only be assumed to be OOG for no reason whatsoever, I don't think we'll ever work out the answer to this one on our own. I'll be quiet now.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:05 am
European Chris
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jsweby wrote:
It's the wording I find interesting in that sentence.
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"...want to know how Frye managed to get the police involved in this. Would've thought that the third wouldn't want to risk..."
"involved "? Involved suggests to me bringing in to, rather than setting on to, 3P.
Not really, you can involve people in something without intention.
Frankly as we don't have the first half of the first sentence and the second half of the second it could mean anything,
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:40 am
zaeil
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duckiemonster wrote:
Kurt's funky software indicated that there wasn't anyone in the building except the ?3P agents*? when he entered. If Frye was in there, she'd have had to come past him when he was hiding to get to the top of the stairs, where he was knocked over.
Actually, what Kurt said was that he was scanning for low-powered transmissions like surveillance equipment, not keys. If Helena wasn't running any surveillance equipment and had her key off, then she likely could have easily gotten past him to do whatever she needed to do.
Anyway, I think the place might have been so spectacularly clean because 3P was using it for something. They found out about the message on The Silver City, knew that someone would be coming and decided to get their stuff on out of there. As a bonus, Helena probably thought it would be cute to try to frame up whoever decided to investigate as a result of the hidden message, hence the coincidental police raid.
Poor Kurt, being caught and interrogated! But he's obviously OK, so that's good. *breathes sigh of relief*
Pineapple--Yeah, the line between IG/OOG with MC is totally blurred, smudged, and in some places, obliterated! It gets a bit confusing at times.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:34 pm
Jakeo
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Lets look at the evidence so far:
The message on the CD was not well hidden, and I think that makes it safe to assume that 3P agents on earth wouldhave recognised it. The fact that we don't have any obvious 3P response would suggest they were happy for the information to be made known.
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"...want to know how Frye managed to get the police involved in this. Would've thought that the third wouldn't want to risk..."
This seems to me to suggest that whatever was going down last night, Frye involved the police in it intentionally. The uncertainty here is what the police (and Frye's) intentions were when they were there.
Here's what I think
[SPEC]
3P are crafty, and have pulled tricks like this before. They have released this CD with the express purpose of using it to flush out the Earth/PXC communications network. We (again) fell for the trap and pushed one of our agents in PXC into a situation where 3P now know who he is.
The police were there to establish a case for arresting whoever we sent. Frye (as a 3P agent) had no intention of 'catching' the other agents, and now that Kurt has been in custody, Frye's 3P influence will mean that while in custody, 3P were able to learn a lot more about our network than before.
I can't get past the obvious placement of the track, and the planned attendance of Frye, and the fact that a police force that was using high grade surveillance and could send 3 people after one runner wasn't capable of catching at least one of the real 3P agents.
[/SPEC]
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:21 pm
Centipede
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I'm wondering if we shouldn't have Kurt Scarlet and Violet use their blogs as a means of disinformation for the 3P. Possibly using an encrypted page, or some sort of cipher to let us know what they're really doing.
I suggest using handlers for each of them, but that's too exclusive. What other ways can we have secure communications over a public space? An encrypted message in the comments of the html source?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:00 pm
tally
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But why would Frye say
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T I don't know how or why a member of the CRT would join the Third Power, but I'm going to enjoy finding out.
if she were a member herself?
Is it not more likely that she is above board and we were being led to think she was, to throw us of the scent?
PS Kurt mis-spelled maintenance in his post...might that be of importance, or just an expected typo from a person under pressure?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:03 pm
The Wizard
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Jakeo wrote:
Lets look at the evidence so far:
The message on the CD was not well hidden, and I think that makes it safe to assume that 3P agents on earth wouldh ave recognised it. The fact that we don't have any obvious 3P response would suggest they were happy for the information to be made known.
Well the morse code on the CD is more than likely to be 3P, so whats to say the message on their was also by them and designed to set us up into getting Kurt to go to the station to provide a distraction.
I realise this suggests that the station was not being used as a store but as a way of transporting something.
Either that or if the morse code is by 3P than surely they would have heard the message and so knew about the impending risk to Gillit Road.
Either way it appears to be a setup.[/quote]
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:19 pm
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