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[beglee]

Im of the same mind-set as BBuck with the motorbike clue. Although, having spent a number of hours a month or 2 ago looking for the bike (without success, i.e. an exact match; a few near matches were found) i cant drum up the enthusiasm to start looking for it again, so hopefully someone else will find it
Then we'll have something to work with for decrypting the message.

[doomsdayred]

ok i'm looking through made-in-china.com and have found a couple of possible matches on the motorbike pic.

http://www.made-in-china.com/products/show/freemember/prod/TYwMzQM/mic/Transportation_Motorcycle_Yangtze_Motorcycle_--_YZ90B.html

http://www.made-in-china.com/products/show/freemember/prod/DAxMAN/mic/Transportation_Motorcycle_Motorcycle_-_XDZ125-7.html

http://www.made-in-china.com/products/show/freemember/prod/TYwMzIM/mic/Transportation_Motorcycle_Yangtze_Motorcycle_--_YZ80.html

There will be more to come so keep checking back if you're working on this line of thinking. (5 pages down, 542 to go)

[Mrwilf]

Just a thought but the card says:

"When I returned home, I spread the cards out on my table and looked for any marks or signs, but they were all new and untouched, apart from one joker which had a star on it"

By my reckoning, "new and untouched" doesn't exclude re-ordered. Just means they are new cards and haven't been marked in any way. They could still have been put in a specific order as the card text doesn't mention unwrapping the pack.

[fretty]

Sorry if this has been touched upon.

Has anyone seen this page about entropy and cards:
http://webs.morningside.edu/slaven/Physics/entropy/entropy2.html

Could this refer to the entropy statement, saying that the deck is ordered in some way or not?

[padge]

[beglee]

As regards the "new and untouched" part of the message on the card. I dont think it means a whole lot, because the person who constructed the encrypted message could have used any other pack of cards that had a full deck and 2 jokers. You still start with a normal deck, construct the keyed deck and then decrypt/encrypt the message. So the cards being untouched just means the guy gave Garnet a new pack of cards with the message printed on it, as opposed to the same pack that he used when encrypting the message.

On a completely seperate note, i find it kind of interesting that Garnet never says on the card that he knows or doesn't know who the person is who gave him the pack of cards, he merely avoids it by referring to the person as "one of the players at my table". It's probably nothing, but maybe he knew the person who gave him the message, might it even have been Sente? After the email bertyb got that confirmed Sente was involved. But even if thats true, i dont think it helps in solving the card, its just something i was pondering.


bertyb, when you got that email from Garnet, did he use an email address of his own, or did he reply through Patrick Azadian's email?

[hally]

Interesting thought: The bikes that doomsdayred shows in the links he has posted are called Yangtze. Now there is also a river called the Yangtze. Somebody has already mentioned the idea of a river and its relevence in the game of poker. Surely this further adds to that idea?

Hally

[doomsdayred]

Well spotted Hally, I think the connection may have been made before between them but it hadn't occurred to me to look at the names of the bikes yet.

More possible bike matches. BTW feedback on this would be appreciated so I know I'm not wasting my time.

http://www.made-in-china.com/products/show/freemember/prod/DA5ODUO/mic/Transportation_Motorcycle_Motorcycle_YB100.html

http://www.made-in-china.com/products/show/freemember/prod/TEyMjIO/mic/Transportation_Motorcycle_Motorcycle_AJD125-G.html

http://www.made-in-china.com/products/show/freemember/prod/TE2NzY0M/mic/Transportation_Motorcycle_Motorcycle_QM110-5.html

[manleym]

[bertyb]

[beglee]

A few months ago i had tried to email Garnet regarding this card, i cant remember what i wanted to ask him, but i couldn't find an email address for him. I tried garnet.reedSPLATperplexcityacademy.com but got a mailer-daemon response at the time.

It seems your email, bertyb, brought about Garnet getting an email address, maybe to help us with this card since its been unsolved for so long. Since you haven't said anything, im guessing his email address is that one i tried before, only now it works. So i sent a test email to that address and no mailer-daemon response, so i suspect thats the right address.

[beglee]

Yup i was right, it is garnet.reedSPLATperplexcityacademy.com, as i just got this reply (auto response im guessing):

[BBuck]

[beglee]

One of the problems with trying to find the motorbike from the card, is that it may be an older version of a bike, i.e. it may be a 1975/1982/1994 etc. version of one of the bikes that have been suggested as possibilities. Finding out if it is an older version and/or finding a picture for it would be 100 times more difficult than looking for bikes that are being sold currently.

Not exactly a helpful post but its worth noting.

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