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[massiverugsale]

1st post ever on this forum, thingy.

Read all post (didn't entirely follow all theories)

Has anyone derived any relevance to the positions of the characters on the page with respect to the y position on the line gaps? - Also the line gaps are not the same size (line heights). More likely irrelevant - but you would have thought that getting a simple and evenly lined piece of paper wouldn't be too difficult - in fact harder to find one without even lines eh? - perhaps one of the students used this as a means to introduce a second code to their note (I mean – They made the lines on the note and then wrote the Yiddish on the lines in the specific positions) – i.e. apply some code relating to line height sizes? - So, Hebrew and line spacing's??

Not as elegant as many theoriesI've seen here - but lets face it some of these solves have not been in line with their respective points value - dare I mention#180 ARG!!

Remember we are trying to; ultimately locate the cube - so some of these strange subtleties on the cards (hidden ink, blurred writing, UV appearance) could be clues to the bigger catch and not the riddle on the card itself.

Like I said - I'm new to posting - PXC - "I'm lovin it"!

Hopefully my input adds a new angle?

rug

[Stevieboy]

How about this person being in a hebrew lesson and the note we are supposed to be deciphering is the small one at the top with all little mathematical things on it?

[hally]

I posted a similar link in the Shuffled thread but am told it would be more useful here:

http://www.gla55pak.com/lameduckie/03february/mae/[url]

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[Zulfus]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, as im in a rush to go out, and don't have time to read through the pages but i found this article about a professor hale.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2001/hale.html

[Bamboozled]

Getting into this a little late, and trying to get up to speed wiht the options that have been covered.

Someone mentioned that there were two numbers which didn't conform to the hundreds, tens units, and that they could be a chapter verse reference. Has anyone followed this up? I wonder if its possible that the numbers represent letters in the bible?

random thought number two, is Von's clue says count twice. Has anyone tried doubling the numbers?

As I said, i'm just getting started, and haven't had time to examine all the routes which people have posted, and i'm not clued up on any of the cryptology methods which are being discussed. Bear with me.

[Stratman]

Hebrew characters

[ALISDAIRPARK]

Hello Stratman, welcome to hell.

There's been quite a few posts about the values of the letters, it's worth reading the thread before posting! If you are using Gematria, then the final version of Kaf is worth 500, not 20, although it can be done both ways.

However your post did remind me that the two final versions jarred with me from the start (well once I got vaguely to grips with the Alephbet). I think another possibility is that these are the letters to move, based on Von's clue.

This gives 3 possibilities:
1) The change comes later (or not at all)
2) The change is at line 5/6 with the "He" moving
3) The changes are all on line 4

But whichever way you cut it, we are still left with the problem of what to do with the numbers...

[Lilian]

Hi I've been trawling through a sh*t load of ciphers righ there http://www.threaded.com/cryptography1.htm none of which seem to fit any of the letters you have come up with, even tried txt got further with than any cipher

[Guin]

Have come up with variations on the numbers so far posted but can make no sense of them and really know not where to go from here. I just found this site which may be of use

http://www.simonsingh.net/The_Black_Chamber/digraphcipher.htm

[pheebs]

anyone come across http://www.jewfaq.org/graphics/numbers.gif? it seems to make sense - the first 2 characters on the card look like 200, 400 (200+400=600=XY????)

sorry if this has been mentioned, just quickly went through all 12 pages of posts.

also liking the lettergrid theory - a combination of the 2?

[primalfear]

this is what i found hope this help ill let ya now if i get close to sloving let me know what ya think

http://www.hanefesh.com/edu/Hebrew_Alphabet.htm

[Guin]

okay thinking aloud here.

If this is a cipher from history we need to replace the original atbash characters ie 1 = 22 2 = 21 etc

it should be read left to right

the numerical value would explain the clue - "count on this being twice as hard" - we need to add the valus of the letters

The twice as hard must be a second cypher of our resulting answer.

so am I speaking total bs or does this seem logical?

[Maxamus]

Just a random thought

If the card is called Ciphers of History
Has anyone tried looking for maybe an old version of Hebrew

Not sure if there is an old version But worth a shot

[GinGenie]

Here's another random thought.

The typo in Von's clue, 'Count ont his' divides the letters into a groups of 5 3 3. 533 is the highest number value for the individual sets of letters we have. I'm not sure what this could mean, if it means anything, and it could be a coincidence.

Also, there are 22 letter groups, and 21 that fit the 100- 10- 1 pattern. The one that is left has 3 letters, 5 - 10 - 7. This (3) and (3 x 7) could be fitted into a matrix somehow for a hill cipher, or less complicated, 5 - 10 - 7 could relate to a Vignere keyword E J G, after working out how to transcribe the numbers into letters. Have tried with modulo 26, but it hasnt worked yet.

Apologies if these have been mentioned before.

[Guin]

Okay still nothing conclusive and I am gonna need to sit down and work on it properly but I tested out my previous post.

I took the atbash cipher idea I had read somewhere and swapped the values so 1 = 22 2 =21 etc - I have the link at home so I will re read it later

I took these values rather than those on the card

read from left to right

now I did rush this and a few groups did not read 1 - 10 - 100 but the rest did fit the 1 - 10 - 100 format. As I said I rushed it and I need to give it more time.

Now the numbers I have would still fit the 533 idea but I am usure where to go next

I will work on this properly and post the numbers later but has anyone else tried this method?