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[frantic]

Glad to hear it wasn't just my dodgy maths that stopped me from understanding the equation!

Another thread on the Hale thoughts for you (also this really is off on a tangent...). On the same day that Hale was hanged, a Jewish immigrant and agent was arrested. Meet Haym Salomon. See here for more info:

http://www.americanrevolution.com/MartyrsandHeroes.htm

Coincidence? Tried to find any references to a Salomon cipher and could only find this book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0387003118/ref=sib_fs_top/002-5843582-6091241?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S013&checkSum=TyuK5BbajkEE8%2Ffc8n9Y%2BhVw34rDC98BjP%2Bf6GaGiYQ%3D#reader-link

Don't think it takes us any further really, but just so no one else has to wander down that path.

Also, just to be sure tried freezing the card (don't laugh) and guess what? No answer magically appeared.[/url]

[frantic]

Also, can anyone see any relevance in the scart-type connector on the yellow casing under the xy=600?

[Ramazel]

I'm not sure what you're refering to. Is it the black thing or the red and white one? I've no idea what the black thing is, I always thought it was a clip, but it could very well be a pen cap.

The red and white thing is interesting, it looks like a pin stuck in the paper in front of the third line of text. It's just far enough from it that it's not obvious and because it's positioned just in front of the slate, you tend to relate it to the slate, don't you, not the text... Mmm, too unconspicuous not to mean something... Or is it just me getting paranoid...?

[fretty]

About the book on amazon by D.Salomon. There is a two step ADFGVX cipher mensioned in the contents. This tallys along with Vons clue (twice as...)

[primalfear]

i was looking at different idea what if just say it was a form of braille look at this link some of the letters are the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braille

also looking at this strange connector whilst i was reading braille i found a braille writer tel me what you think
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Braille_Writer.jpg

also on reading about braille there is hebrew braille.....

[c1023]

I think it is just a black board wiper, and a piece of white chalk in a red plastic holder.

[frantic]

hmmm, seems more likely doesn't it, especially as it's under the xy=600 in chalk.

Been looking at the ADFGVX cipher fretty and come to the conclusion that our text would need to contain just those letters to relate to that code, so I think we can rule that one out (although never, say never...)

[Ramazel]

[Guin]

[Guin]

Just to throw another idea into the melting pot and possibly confuse matters further.

This had been nagging me but I didnt think much of it until I decided the other day to scrap all my current work and go back to square 1 as having tried many variations on what has already been posted and I have not made a great deal of ground any further than many others (I may just be thick and missing something though!)

Anyway, historically speaking there is a link between Hebrew and the Tarot. There are 22 major Arcana cards (which appeared during the 15th Century). The development of the 22 cards can be related to the Hebrew alphabet.

Dates vary as do beleifs but heres some starting points (I hope)

http://www.villarevak.org/misc/tarotl_1.html#Hebrew

more on Levi here http://www.satanic-kindred.org/eliphas.htm

However some do beleive this happened earlier (depends on your view I suppose)

important names seem to be:

Boiardo - possibly responsible for the development of the 22 cards and a Jewish man, and uncle of Pico de Mirandola who seems to have written a poem which the early symbols of tarot seem to represent.

Unfortunately neither of my decks are this old but here is a start

http://www.spiritone.com/~filipas/Masquerade/Essays/iota.html

anyway Im off to eat and continue looking into this possibility. My reasoning comes back to thoughts I have had in the past and the link with playing cards tarot etc through PXC (eg Shuffled, the prime cards the 5 of Cups) I am beginning to wonder.

EDIT

and this site http://www.supertarot.co.uk/cipher/atbash.htm

[hamatoyoshi]

Another thread I've come to late, but in my research of gematria (having almost no initial knowledge), the first Google result brings up some interesting variations which I haven't seen used so far...

This site's discussion of gematria (inner.org) brings up an interesting item:

[ALISDAIRPARK]

I have worked through the following with no success:

> Took the original text, Atbashed text and Albam (ROT11) text - 3 Options
> Converted to numbers using both Gematria, and Aleph = 1...Tav = 22 - 6 options.
> Took both the sum and product of these - 12 options.
> Discounted the products this gives figures much higher than a grid produces (i.e. in the thousands) - 6 options
> Ran through the 3 grid options: Option 1 with one axis reversed, Option 2 with ax=1, Option 3 with the axes stopping at x and y - 18 options
> Used Caesar cipher on the results..

No success. the only other option down this route is working back from the numbers through factorisation, and working through all the possible permutations, which I don't think I have the will to do.

For other ideas that have been mentioned throughout this thread:
A book code (which book?)
Shadow text meaning rotate sthg
Von's clue with misspelling
Line spacings
Letter/ word spacings
Hale
Maths Formulae
Two square cipher (again from Von's clue)
Mirroring, or reversal
Pairs

If I can tidy up my workings I'll post them, as it may help someone else.

[hamatoyoshi]

[Ramazel]

Alisdairpark, you might want to add to your list the title of the card "Ciphers Of History". For all we know it might be the key to whatever cipher method has been used. I wouldn't be all that surprised if the answer had been staring us in the face all along...

I've tried using it on the two-square cipher as CIPHERS for the first matrix and HISTORY for the second, with various settings (horizontal/vertical two-square, no Q/no J, horizontal/vertical keys), but so far nothing but gibberish... Lots of other ciphers to try it with though...

It's got 16 characters if you drop the spaces. I wanted to try it on a Hill cipher as a 4x4 matrix but I got stuck when I realised I had to calculate the inverse matrix. I might actually have to learn matrix theory in more depth before I can do it. Anybody familiar with matrices around here?

Where I'm coming from with this is that, if we need further decryption after transforming the hebrew characters into roman letters, either it's a simple system (such as a shift) or a key-based one. If there is a key, I assume we should be able to work it out from the card, right?

Mind you, I'm just thinking after writing all this, even if I was on the right track with ciphers of history pointing to the key, maybe it would have to be interpreted? as the name of a type of historical ciphers, e.g. SHIFTCIPHERS, or if we have two keys as in two-square, one name for each, e.g. ATBASH and ALBAM to stay with the Hebrew theme?

Aaaargh, too many possibilities...! How do we narrow it down?!

[poozle]

I did matrices last year at A-Level and all I can remember is that I don't want to remember how to inverse 4X4 matrices, LOL, sorry mate, would help if I could.