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levendus · Boot Joined: 12 Oct 2003 Posts: 12

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**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:41 am

chacko

Well the idea of humans being batteries has been eliminated, it was something that Warner Bros. wanted the Wachowski to change.
I think it does fit in nicely though, it makes the intensity of what the Architecht briefing Neo about the reality of the One, more so.

I mean who would have guessed that Zion was just another system of control? I sure as hell didn't from what I was lead from?

That has lead me to being able to question whether or not what I find to be an extremum in life is maybe just some value of another part? (Like am I really free of telling lies if I only tell the truth? When truth can be subjective?)

Arrr its philosophical alright Smile

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:44 am

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**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:26 am

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levendus · Boot Joined: 12 Oct 2003 Posts: 12

Yeah I figured that P. and M. were programs. What i meant was, that P. made a comment in the bathroom that things were different before they came "here", assuming she was implying Matrix. Where were they before coming to the Matrix?

The whole battery thing was always weak. Humans would suck as batteries. Why wouldn't they just use nuclear or drill to the Earth's core to get some thermal energy?

Plus why all the energy expended on the Matrix? If the machines just want some energy why the VR?

Plus in Reloaded there were a lot of references to their being some need to coexist, man/machine. What if Metacortex is running some kind of sim that is working out the details for their vision of bringing humanity "together" and enabling us to fulfill our destiny.

As far as "facts" are concerned in the Matrix, they are few and tenuous. The Matrix milieu is too fluid, who knows how many layers are part of the sim? Only the WBs can definitively say what a fact is. And they could be misleading for the hell of it.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:46 am

BoyC · Boot Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 36

I have once read a thread about this human-battery thing, which came to the conclusion that it would make no sense (because of the first law of thermodinamics), but if the machines can use the humans for something else too, like for computation, data storage etc, it would give them basically unlimited computing power (as a human only uses a few percents of his brain...)

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:26 am

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AnthraX101 · Entrenched Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 797

Quick matrix primer. Be warned that I just gleamed this from matrix related sites once I heard about metacortechs, so it may not all be completely correct.

The original Matrix concept called for the machines to be using humans as a giant computational matrix. They used the human brains "extra power" (remember, we only use 10% of it Smile

) as their processors. The WB studio asked them to change it I hear to the idea that they were generating power. This is not accurate, because humans consume more power then they can possibly produce (Entropy, anyone?)

I also believe that there is one city in the matrix. This was filmed in Australia. I distinctly got the New York feel for the city, but I think that was just because I am so familiar with it. Smile

I think the true intent was for it to be some generic city that anyone can relate to. The Wachouski's lived in Chicago for quite some time, so many of the street names and places originate from there.

(Revolutions trailer spoiler)

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:49 am

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yes, i think the wb's intended neo's hometown to have a generic, any-metropolis type of feel to it, a CAPITOL city that could be in any country.

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**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:57 am

Omnie · Entrenched Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 772

Yeah, the WBs said, in some interview or another (I might be able to go dig it up if someone really wants...) that the Matrix is one giant humongous megacity. So, in TMO, that's what it'll be, one really big city that isn't like any real city. Now, this doesn't entirely make sense, because in M1 we see mention of Heathrow, Kansas...maybe more, can't remember now. And how could the machines change the geography of our world completely without changing our history as well? From what I've seen, arguments like this on Matrix forums usually devolve into:
"The WBs said so, end of argument"
"But, but...Heathrow!"
"The WBs said it's a megacity...."
"But...!"
I have yet to see a theory on this that totally makes sense. The best I can think of is some combo...like, yes, it's a giant megacity because the WBs did say so, and when people want to travel to other cities, maybe they just mess with their memory. It sounds too complicated for the machines to do, though, that'd take an awful amount of effort, and it's be very easy to screw up. Hmm...

As for Redland, and the world map, and all the other mentions of worldwide locations in this game... *cough*fanfic*cough**cough* Sorry, need some cough drops...

There is something else that always bothered me, though. When the Matrix is reloaded, or first started...everyone is inserted and let loose to just get on with their "lives." But their minds are filled with memories of war (if it's the 1st one) or of a past Matrix (after a reload). So the machines have to insert memories of entire lives into every coppertop?!? If they can do that, then surely they can fiddle to create the impression of other countries...but how on earth do they know enough about people to create entire life memories for them?

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:35 pm

chacko

Don't forget the Mobil Ave is some sort of anagram for Limbo!!! (....He's caught somewhere between the real world and the machine world....)

And how do I know that the power idea has been thrown out? The Architecht says they are ready to take certain risks.

Theres another theory, that the machines can't completely eradicate humans, as some part of their sub-concious programming, thus they built the Matrix as a way to keep humans from destroying them and as kind of a symbiotic relationship.

Lastly about the megacity...
I have three problems with it being a megacity; a) as already mentioned it won't work historically, unless they reshape history.
b) in the videos they show in the architecht's lair, you see videos of countrysides, oceans, africans doing tribal dances, etc... explain this?
c) lastly, of course, is that Beth McConnel's sitings are from places spread through out the world that are not an urbanized city.

So maybe the Wachowski just aren't as cleaver as I once thought now...

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:02 pm

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Well no, i can refute that. It's a megacity. Machine were able to change what they want... because they keep people in the 21 century. That let them play with the history by saying what they want and making people stay in the megacity. Remember M1 when morpheus show to neo is street and ask him if he get up the morning and think that what he did the night was like a dream. It's not exactly wht he said as i don't have it word by word but thats the same signification. Since the machine play in your head they can do what they want. Also, it is said that there is other megacity with other matrix. Same story in all those city, maybe but maybe not.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:10 pm

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MetaCortex wired you...

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:31 pm

Omnie · Entrenched Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 772

Yeah, like I said, the megacity idea kinda bothers me...I'll try to go find that interview if I have time. However, I don't think we can present evidence from this game to refute anything about the actual movies... there have been MANY mentions of worldwide locations in this game, including places main characters actually interact with, such as Greece and Zurich...this bothered me from the beginning.

*coughCOUGH*fanfic*hack**cough* Yes, I've got a bad cold...excuse me while I go blow my nose.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:43 pm

chacko

heh

Not to mention that they still have the geography of the United States...

and the quote from Morpheus, he was asking Neo if he had ever had a dream that was so real he could have swore it wasn't a dream at all.

What he was really asking was if Neo could discern the difference between dreams and reality...

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:52 pm

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Regarding the relativity of this ARG vs. the Matrix storyline, I'm quite interested in the prominent role of Huxley's "Brave New World". I haven't read BNW (just ordered it at my local bookstore, but as I wanted the English version, it could take a few weeks Smile

) except for skimming through most of the online version, but from what I know of it, it seems to center around the "question" of how to keep every person on earth as happy as possible, while arranging it centrally.

This fits in quite nicely with the Matrix storyline, as several versions of the simulated world of the Matrix have been tried to see which level kept the humans most stable ("happy"?) towards the system.

I'm really wondering where this game is taking us, because, as mentioned before in this thread, the direct Matrix references are pretty scarce up till now... it keeps me very interested though.

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:59 pm

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O.k who ripped my name off Evil or Very Mad

!!!!! Any way was Serph in a asian city or was he a chinatown in the capital city?

**Posted:** Mon Oct 13, 2003 5:12 pm