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[PUZZLE] #251 - Silver - The Thirteenth Labour - READ POST#1
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Uhtoff
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Thanks Bri, hadn't picked that up Wink

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:29 pm
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SteveC
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For what it's worth, very little probably, you can test keys again now on

http://www.connected.ltd.uk/pxc/

My hosts appear to have solved the problem, but as they didn't bother telling me, I've no idea in what way, whether it was intentional or luck....

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:30 am
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somethingsquare
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Machine code

I have heard references to machine code, but I cannot spot in this forum if anyone has tried to 'run' this block of text as machine code - i.e. compile it somehow.
Does this make sense even?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:35 pm
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HiveMind
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checked

Hey steve I have a half done python script that need finishing when I get round to it.
What I wanted to know was have you check that the server works with a RC5 encoded message of your own?
Thanks HM.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:51 pm
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Jakeo
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Got a message back from Jeff at distributed.net:

Quote:
Thanks for your message. We've started discussing some possibilities about what might be doable.

The largest problem that you may have problems with is finding enough participants to allow the computation to be finished in any reasonable amount of time. Although it is definitely possible to become lucky and find the solution early on, that is not entirely realistic.

Additionally, I believe the Perplexcity puzzle is little more difficult in that no portion of the decrypted output is known at all, right? (With the RSA Secret Key challenges, the decrypted output was known to always begin with a certain plaintext phrase, which made the client implementation a little easier and less prone to false-positives.)


I replied answering his various questions and proposed the following as a key ordering:

    lower case
    upper case
    lower case + upper case
    lower case + numbers
    upper case + numbers
    lower case + upper case + numbers
    any and all others.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:50 am
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c1023
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I think it would be worth trying alpha-numeric + punctuation/symbols (!"£$%^& etc.) before going to the full keyspace, as it is only 1/256 of the number of keys. From personal experience, most of my passwords contain symbols, but not the top 128 characters in the extended character sets.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:03 am
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yomama
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sweet!

'yourmama' is no good.
'YOURMAMA' is no good.
Promising: the decoded file for key 'Yourmama' is DBase 3 data file with memo(s)
'yourmama' is no good.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:41 pm
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hairysocks
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bertyb wrote:
Here is the wording I got.

The 3 cards in question were this one, shuffled and Riemann.

Quote:


We're also sorry we can't give out any hints on the cards, but we can say
these 3 are solvable and are not trick questions. Some of them require a
collaborative effort; others, such as Shuffled, do not.



It occurred to me that we have to be very careful when interpreting any clues from Von or MC. "collaborative effort" could mean making use of rccrypt, which is essential to solve this card. Also "effort" is related to "labour" (as in The Thirteenth Labour). So it may still be possible for an indivdual to solve the card (I hope its me!) and this still count as a collaborative effort.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:35 pm
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Im not entirely sure how the whole decryption process works. But i have a though that might make it easier. Of course probably not.... But ill throw it out.

Would it speed up the decryption process if we took only the first 12 characters of the encrypted message instead of using the whole message?

So instead of using the whole string of characters it would process less per test. ... I say this because if words appear, a single word should be contained in the first 12 characters. ... this is significantly less characters to crunch thru per key. This alone may speed up the process over time, so if we have to brute force it... it might take less time?

For all i know the decryption would need the last character in the string as much as the first for it to work, so i might be just giving a useless idea out.

But thats never stopped me before.

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babycakesjase
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On a similar note to yomama above...

'medusae' is no good.
Promising: the decoded file for key 'MEDUSAE' is DBase 3 data file with memo(s)
'Medusae' is no good.
'medusae' is no good.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:20 am
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purplephreak
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hiya, I've been looking at the thirteenth labor on the net and as well as being connected to medusa it is also associated with a type of puzzle where wooden blocks are interlaced to create different structures, the puzzle being either how to put them together, or in some cases how to take them apart again!

The man behind the thirteenth labor puzzle of this sort was a W. Altecruse. His last name literally translated means 'old cross', which is 8 letters long, I believe this is the length we are looking for for a keyword?

Oher possibilities I came up with while working through the information were infinitum, and two of the puzzle names were pyracube and scorpius.

Don't know if this is any help! I have no hope of running the crypto stuff myself so I figured I could at least try and come up with some possible keywords Smile

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:12 am
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I'm completely new to these forums and don't have any technical knowledge of computing or coding, so I apologise if I'm posting to the wrong thread. But I gather you're looking for a word or character string of up to eight letters which acts as the key to this code.

I tried "slavery" in the tool that SteveC posted a link toon the tortuous basis that the 13th amendment to the US constitution relates to slavery which is a form of labour. It came back with a message saying that the output was similar to a SysEx file which was probably a red herring but might be worth checking out. I can't do anything with this information (it's gibberish to me) but others might be able to. Hence my post.

Sorry if this shot in the dark wastes anyone's time.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:36 pm
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BluesScale
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Good ideas from purplephreak but none of those check out for me. Interesting new line though.

Shots in the dark are fine. There is little light around here.

Blues

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:25 pm
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t.w@
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I've been watching the discussion on all threads for some time now - I'm posting on this thread because I want SteveC to read and I think he frequents this thread more...

All the comments from MC suggest we're going to have to brute this, is that right?
If so, I downloaded a list of around 20K 8-letter words (alpha only, real words only, probably still not a full list). If we've not started the brute yet, can't we start on it now? Comments from everyone suggest that there's a lot of people willing to aid the cause.
If SteveC releases his code and checking algorithm (I haven't checked whether this can be straight downloaded from the website yet) we can all take 100 or so of the words at a time can't we? Sooner started...

Then we use this (or t'other) thread to post what we have taken each time, posting possibles back when we've checked them. Possibly a third - clean - thread for these possibles for everyone to see, given that the existing suggestion thread is impossible to follow now.

Awaiting trout...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:10 am
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hexDa3m0n
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Spoke to Steve while his site was having problems and he gave me his script, but it was being stubbon so didn't publish it, however, have written a script that is going to test all the 8 letter words, will be running it later. (i'll check and add any of the words you got that i didn't, but mine had nearly 29,000!!!!)

I did something similar using windows using someone elses rccrypt, but none of them returned anything decent, so I assumed that there was something wrong.

I may need some people to help me trawl through the results to see if anything decent comes back......

Hopefully halfway through there will be some sort of sentence that has wierd characters instead of spaces!!!!!

Cheers
Hex Da3m0n

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