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bertyb · Veteran Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 128 Location: London

Some great work over the weekend has been done then.

I tried to order a couple of decks of the cards but couldnt as they only ship to the states and Canada - has anybody found any UK Retailers where you can purchase them from - or US retailers who ship to the UK?

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:13 am

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modern_hero · Decorated Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 159 Location: UK

well, i know where I got this pack, so I can see if they are able to order, but it's been years since i was last in there, and I know they've changed hands twice.

still worth a try tho...

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:19 am

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bertyb · Veteran Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 128 Location: London

Cheers - were they an on-line place or walk in shop?

If you have any luck then let me know please.

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:31 am

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VJBeam · Greenhorn Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 4

Ordered the blue deck off ebay last night, says its now shipped so should be here tomorrow. The guy did have a few packs for sale but I think there was only 1 left when i ordered mine.

Once it arrives I will update with anything we find.

Ta.

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:35 am

doomsdayred

Just got me a couple of packs off ebay as well try the following link:

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=motor+brand+casino&category0=

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:43 am

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Stratman

I ordered some decks from

http://www.poker-shop-europe.com/

http://www.ekmpowershop2.com/ekmps/shops/pokershop/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=39

Hope that helps
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**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:23 am

bertyb · Veteran Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 128 Location: London

Got a deck off the ebay link....cheers for that.

Will see what we can find now.

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:50 am

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**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:23 am

beglee · Decorated Joined: 21 Oct 2005 Posts: 164

I dont believe my eyes! What a crazy card back design! modern-hero, you've blown my whole belief system (for this particular card) out of the water Smile

I was convinced that the clues were in the card design, soooo many hours of searching for motorbikes seem to have been a complete waste now, oh well, at least we won't lose any more time searching for it. I wonder is the type of card deck completely irrelevant now, or is there anything in it. Wont have a chance to think about this card today but ill get re-involved tomorrow, ive been avoiding it, just reading this thread to keep up, but now i want to get back into it Smile

I wonder is there anyone we can email (if the company still exists) that could tell us more about the company, its history, and what bloody motorbike that is, even if its not a clue at all, just so my mind can rest easy knowing what the motorbike model is

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:43 am

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padge · Boot Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 43

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:14 pm

padge · Boot Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 43

Found this on the web regarding 'motor playing cards' made in china

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:24 pm

bertyb · Veteran Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 128 Location: London

Good work.

Between me and a friend, we have been investigating a new line of thought today since this information has come to light - it looks as though now the pack is in existence and the clues now point to the letters on the side of the box and also the statement made about entropy.

With this in mind, and researching a bit into Information Theory, and also all the clues pointing to a code rather than a cipher, perhaps a level of Entropy Encoding has taken place before we can even start on the solitaire Cipher. Have a look at the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_encoding

There is loads of information and different links on the page and the reading can go on for a while with it so make sure you have a few hours spare - but if anybody can understand what they are saying and how perhaps we can relate it to the card in question then maybe we can get a bit closer.

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:38 pm

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modern_hero · Decorated Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 159 Location: UK

Sorry, walk in shop. Went back and they don't do cards at all anymore. They've become a video rental store. Confused

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:18 pm

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Jakeo

Just to throw something interesting into the mix: Its possibly that the phrase 'If entropy wins, outward looks will leave you cold' Could in fact be the cipher text.

Because Solitaire is capable of generating any stream of keys, it is likely as any other string to translate to 'Sente pwn3d this c4rd. He is TEH Hax0r...' or words to that effect.

**Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:12 pm

Stratman

My packs of Motor cards just arrived...the backs are exact...the Made in China is on the side exactly the same. The gold band seal strip is the same. A second clear seal strip just higher than the gold band is the same.
I am at work, but will have a closer look later...any questions regarding the deck? I will try to answer.

Correction it is not an extra seal strip above the gold strip - it is an indent in the pack box where the pack hinges when you open it. When you open the pack the gold band is removed.

Sorry, the obvious thing to add - the card order in the new pack is...
(face up) joker,joker, A-K diamonds, A-K clubs, A-K hearts, A-K spades.
As the Shuffled card box is drawn, the cards are face down in the box.

Hope that helps Smile

**Posted:** Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:15 am