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[CherokeeParkes]

Good point beglee. No mention of any containers with a missed pill.

PS Sent photos to Kurt though I got the format of the files wrong I said bmp they're jpg. Also winzip does not compress pictures.

[toongoon]

The times that Miranda, Jason, Violet, and Kurt are separating and meeting is a key bit here as well.

A couple of thoughts I need to follow though on

1) The police never interview Kurt to corroborate Miranda's times although she seems curious as to what answer he gave. This seems to tell me that we need to follow through on that. Miranda may have left early to poison Cymbalisty's coffee therefor no need to for the killer to lock the doors.

2) Violet makes a point that she and Jason live at opposite ends of PXC. Did Jason have time to have the place cleaned (or commit some other crime?) and get to Falon's?

Overall I think we need to question our Kurt and Violet. I suspect Kurt will be diificult due to his being quite smitten with Miranda though. Violet may be the librarian for the job however...

[Axys Denyed]

For those that want it, I've put all the .jpg files on my website and made a nice little (read: sparse) index file so you can look through them. Just go here to get there

[joePM]

There are definitely some odd timing issues here. The reports cite liver mortis and the "greenish marbling" consistent with gastrointestinal decomposition -- but these don't happen until many hours (12-16 if memory serves) after death. This is consistent with the coffee sitting at room temperature for 16 hours.

But why would his key report the TOD as 11:50 unless it had been tampered with?

Then, of course, there's the suicide note that's time-stamped after the first officer had left.

Sounds like someone hacked his key. Who do we know who has that sort of skill...?

[Jakeo]

[ALISDAIRPARK]

that could explain his reluctance to help us this time

[Uhtoff]

Right - TINAG hat well and truly on my head for this!

Few things that bother me about the coroner's report, obviously the main cause of death is the Ceretin/Ceretiva overdose, but there's a few other bits that don't quite add up, or at least haven't been commented on. Firstly (although this is almost certainly a simple error) the occiput is the back of the head, in most textbooks it doesn't even extend to the back of the ears let alone to the cheeks

[joePM]

Also, err, math is fun! Forensic report says ETOD: 10:00 - 12:00. Anatomical report says death arrives 16-24 hours after ingestion.

12:00 pm - 16 hours = 8:00 pm

According to Jason and Violent [Haha, freudian slip? -Ed.], Isaac left the library around 6:15.

That right there is a very, very narrow window. If we take the latest possible TOD (immediately before the police arrived, or 12:20), and the shortest possible time for the Ceretin to have its effect, we still only end up with two hours between his leaving the library and supposedly taking the fatal dose of ceretin.

What we need is to find someone who saw him between 6 and 9 that night.

[duckiemonster]

Another medic elaborates (didn't realise there were so many of us):

[chimera245]

Timing issues

[duckiemonster]

Re: Timing issues

[Centipede]

I believe the note to be fake. That said, it doesn't look suspicious to me. The only thing about it is the timestamp, but that could well be updated by an autosave feature. Or it could be the last accessed time. Both are possibilities that no one seems to be addressing.

[kiwi]

I'm a little confused. I realized that times are important (ie: time of death, how long it took for the Ceretin to kill him, etc), but I can't figure out how they all fit together.

I mean, so the coffee was sitting, for 16 hours. Assuming Isaac was drinking it until he died, then that means he was dead well before the police got there.

And then there's the whole "Death approx 16-24 hours after ingestion." thing.

Anyway, I've been trying to fit this together, but I'm tired and hungry.

[Uhtoff]

[Uhtoff]

Forgiving my rubbish knowledge of pathology...are we saying that he must have been dead for 24-48 hours before he was found (14/1), thus 72-96 hours before the autopsy (16/1)?