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[UPDATE] PXCPD Internal Access - 14 Mar 06 - Cymbalisty File
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Centipede
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Weefz wrote:
Timing looks okay to me too.

12/1/269

12:38-12:42 Voice call - Heath, Anna

13/1/269

5ish - Miranda leaves library to meet Kurt

6ish Jason and Cymbalisty leave Library.

6:15 - Jason and Cymbalisty part ways.

6:15 - Violet leaves the library to get changed

7:30 - Violet and Jason meet at Fenlons

8ish - Coffee left standing by Cymbalisty

14/1/269

11:50 - Time of Death according to key. Consistent if he'd had some dodgy ceretin at work (impossible to work with without his Ceretin according to Violet) and then topped it up with the coffee finally knocking him out.

12:35 - Dr Malcolm Y. Prenderghast, Pathologist, arrives at Cymbalisty's apartment and notes coffee curdling

12:50 - Prenderghast leaves apartment

13:44 - Timestamp on Document 1 (suicide note). This was UNSAVED when the police/pathologist arrived according to comms analysis so timestamp is probably when the police or whoever saved it as evidence.

I was more intrigued by the forensics report

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DNA: zero quantities of foreign cellular material in carpet. Insufficient dust for testing.


Someone has definitely cleaned his apartment very recently and it's unlikely to be him.


If the coffee was curdling, that means there was some left in the cup. How large of a dose would he have gotten from half a cup of coffee? The fact that there's still half a cup left shows that he passed out suddenly, don't the keys monitor vital signs? I think I remember someone's key sending out a signal when they needed medical help, but I'm not sure. (Didn't see anything in the Wiki) So we have Isaac passing out suddenly and remaining unconscious until his death, roughly 16 hours. We don't know if a Ceretin overdose would knock someone out that fast.

How do the keys determine the time of death anyway? Could that be manipulated? If Isaac died at 8ish, when we presume he passed out from an overdose, would that account for the abdominal distention? It could have been the same thing that killed the gate guard during the theft, which confuses the time of death. That would give the killer plenty of time to hack the key (what is an 'A2' state anyway?) set up a false time of death, write the suicide note, and have the cleaners clean the place, in time for the police to arrive the next day.

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Centipede wrote:
Weefz wrote:


8ish - Coffee left standing by Cymbalisty

14/1/269

11:50 - Time of Death according to key. Consistent if he'd had some dodgy ceretin at work (impossible to work with without his Ceretin according to Violet) and then topped it up with the coffee finally knocking him out.

12:35 - Dr Malcolm Y. Prenderghast, Pathologist, arrives at Cymbalisty's apartment and notes coffee curdling

12:50 - Prenderghast leaves apartment


If the coffee was curdling, that means there was some left in the cup. How large of a dose would he have gotten from half a cup of coffee? The fact that there's still half a cup left shows that he passed out suddenly, don't the keys monitor vital signs? I think I remember someone's key sending out a signal when they needed medical help, but I'm not sure. (Didn't see anything in the Wiki) So we have Isaac passing out suddenly and remaining unconscious until his death, roughly 16 hours. We don't know if a Ceretin overdose would knock someone out that fast.


Yep, there are an awful lot of things we just don't have enough information about. Like his ceretiva blood level was 1.220(g/ml). Since their threshold for reporting something as positive is only 0.010g/ml for ceretiva I'm guessing that's a ridiculously high level but we just don't know how much ceretin you would have to take to get level that high, especially if you're a long-term addict.

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How do the keys determine the time of death anyway? Could that be manipulated? If Isaac died at 8ish, when we presume he passed out from an overdose, would that account for the abdominal distention? It could have been the same thing that killed the gate guard during the theft, which confuses the time of death. That would give the killer plenty of time to hack the key (what is an 'A2' state anyway?) set up a false time of death, write the suicide note, and have the cleaners clean the place, in time for the police to arrive the next day.


Keys are hackable to some extent so it probably could be manipulated but as I said before, wouldn't the coroner have noticed something like that straight away? Rigor mortis would have set in quite strongly if he had been dead for 16 hours compared to 40-odd minutes.

I think the clone-was-at-work-on-Friday theory is pushing it a bit much so I don't think he could have died before about 6:30pm that day.

Dodgy coroner? Not much evidence so far.

You're right about the vitals monitoring - Scarlett's story October 14th
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Brede's key has emergency distress beacon which goes off automatically if it senses he's been injured


Looks like not all keys have it though.
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weefz wrote:

Yep, there are an awful lot of things we just don't have enough information about. Like his ceretiva blood level was 1.220(g/ml). Since their threshold for reporting something as positive is only 0.010g/ml for ceretiva I'm guessing that's a ridiculously high level but we just don't know how much ceretin you would have to take to get level that high, especially if you're a long-term addict.


I PMed dicukie about this, it rang alram bells with me too (mainly as I can only work in g/L and that's 1220g/L which would probably be a bugger to dissolve and something like a thick paste Smile ), but apparetly on the jpeg it can be seenas the original symbol of micro g (mu...hang-on let's see if I do this right ...nope, in word it's alt + 230 I think). Which I'm much happier with.
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Good point, MikeyJ

Something I forgot to mention:

Centipede wrote:

How do the keys determine the time of death anyway? Could that be manipulated?


If the key was hacked then his murder (accidental overdose on black market Ceretin?) wasn't related to the Granier Diary. Surely they would have deleted the two files relating to it from his key.
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From the posts and police reports I can probably deduce that he was killed outright in his apartment. The evidence for this is that the building surveillence was offline so no-one could see who was entering and exiting and that his apartment was prematurely cleaned removing any traces.
If he was poisoned or interfered with before going home why clean all evidence over the entire apartment and cover the surveillence.
Mind you if we knew when the surveillence system did go offline we could have a better idea his timeline of events to his death. - could we get this somehow??

For a weapon of choice for the killer how about the Reynolds ionizer. We already know this is a favoured choice for V and his employers. It technically frys the brain but if he died from a suspected ceretin overdose no-one would think twice about any brain anomalies. Hence the use of the drug to cover it up. A ceretin addict dieing of an overdose - no surprise there!!

His estimated time of death was 10.00 - 12.00 but the police did not turn up till 12.20. I am certain that keys would communicate to the authorities just as his vitals shut down. This leads me to believe that his key has most certainly been hacked to falsify any information - namely the suicide note. Although how would the police know to turn up? I am sure his body did not start to decompose in the cold winter weather. Does anyone know who called it in?


Anyhow on a lighter note this is my first post having been lurking since January, but after an intense back story catch up I intend to fight on for the greater good.

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Mikeyj: Were you talking about this: µ it's alt + 0181


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I am sure his body did not start to decompose in the cold winter weather.


Unless he liked to keep his house toasty warm. I know my grandparents keep their house uncomfortably warm. (At least for me)

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Weefz wrote:
spugmeistress wrote:
Weefz wrote:
Anyone checking the .jpg files for police watermarking or something that would distinguish doctored pages from originals?


i checked the comms and the forensics ones in photoshop for any signs of fiddling or watermarks or pen indentations that could've come from the next piece of paper up. nothing was coming out so i didn't check the rest, as everyone in IRC was coming to the conclusion that it probably wasnt worth pursuing, plus if anything had been doctored i'd have thought it'd be those two.

rach =)


Yeah, I'm not sure about them being doctored either, despite the possible inconsistency.

I do wonder why they provided full text and jpg files though. Is it Perplex City policy that official documents must be on paper or something? Surely the text files would be sufficient in the system if there isn't any additional information in a jpg.


I'm looking at all the files in Photoshop, and I'm noticing two oddities: In ANNA_P000, if you adjust the levels toward the dark end of the spectrum something -- and I can't really describe it better than that -- starts to show up after the phrase "just to say hello." I've attached two JPGs to show you what I mean. I ran a "reduce noise" on it and came out with something looking awfully like ".07" ...could be completely random chance due to these being actual scanned pieces of paper (which they do appear to be).

The other thing was on Toxicology_000 -- the case is referred to as PXC978C675/W/I. Anyone know why?
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looking at it, i see a 2 after the 7 making it look like .072

but i could just be seeing things.

EDIT: am i'm sure it's just a mistake but the links on the toxicology report have .jpg on them twice at the end

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Someone check the .jpgs with a steganograpgy program.
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That's a good idea. I did strike me as odd having these pieces of information as jpeg's instead of text files. There may be something in there.
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someone post the jpg's and il steno them
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Uh...how about popping along to the PxCPD site, and getting them from there, rather than unnecessarily battering the UF bandwidth?

Just a thought...

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cause i couldnt be b othered to hunt around for the password to get back into it, tho i found the JPG's somewhere else in the end.trouble is i have a bitmap steno so gotta save each one as a bitmap first. shal i steno all of them or do ya have any specific ones ya want me doin?
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Really-for the love of god. You sound like a thirteen year old.

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Ive just done the anatomical reports on a sensitivity of 3.00 its says there is a jphide on them all, but not Mirandas statement at the same sensitivity.

Something? If so how do I extract it??????? lol 1st time Ive done this!
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