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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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kksweety
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hey hey, in regards to the microscopic writing, i've had a look using a handy lil pocket microscope... cant see anything, just looks like a black background with lines of dots.... can anyone direct me to something they may have seen so i have an idea what i should look for?


Edit: ok ignore me, i got bored and have been trailing through all 35 pages of this thread so far *yawn* so tired

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locqust - Great Idea Just done a hi res scan of the card but could not find anything on it, execpt lots of dots and card fibers. The Scan resolution i used was 7200dpi if anyone has a higher one it may pull more out of it, im going to scan all the card in to see if any other parts may contain a clue or two.

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Not having the card, I don't know if this suggestion will make any sense.

WRT the lines of dots, any chance the width of the lines and spacings between them could make up some form of morse?

Used to play The Stone and there were often random bits like this which could be interpreted in many diff ways from morse to dates, to all sorts of other things.

Of course if they are different on all the cards then i guess that would blow this idea apart. Very Happy
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Hey again, i was seeing pixels in my sleep last night after staring blankly at that margin bit for god knows how long under a microscope... just wondering, plz excuse me if im being blonde here, but i have this microscope thingy, and it can see alpha dots? ok, i dont actually know what alpha dots are but i did a quick google and it came up stuff to do with labeling and coding, does anyone think it would be worth me giving the card a fine toothcomb with my lil thingy? or am i being totally stupid?

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Back on page 15 of this topic, on Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:47 pm, hturan noted that the wording on the solve page was not the usual. This has changed since then and the solve page is now as shown in the attached image.
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Being picky about the semantics of this - was this not "enter your proof here" originally? If so perhaps it is a change due to the proof reading idea - just a thought. But equally, "Show your proof here" makes me wonder about the answer we are meant to be inputting. This makes me think we are meant to exhibit the answer. Just thinking aloud.
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RE: My Earlier Post On Card Scan

(My Previous Post @ 12:07)

I Forgot to log on last time - Gibbet Here is My Attached Scan of the gap at the top of the Card, The Dots dont seem to have any pattern to me my scanner is working overtime at the moment (A Scan of the whole card will take sometime i may leave it scanning overnight)

I could put the Scan up to 12,800dpi but it may produce the same but i will see about scanning if it becomes of any significance
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Oh boy. This is my first attempt to contribute to anything here. And it is a silver leveled card. Joy. I can say I have read this whole thread though and I hope what I'm about to suggest isnt totally redundant and previously mentioned. Upon a dictionary.com search of the word solve though, an extra definition at the bottom piqued my interest.

Solve- Parallel object-oriented language

Seeing as how one of the previous e-mails from the Perplex City Staff says you simply need to solve the hypothesis. Which is not a simple task. Maybe we need to translate or do something with the equation/hypothesis to get it into this language?

I doubt this is right but maybe its on the right track? Confused Question

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Got a fairly definitive answer when I emailed MC abouot this puzzle.

Quote:
Hello Don,

Thanks for your email.

Playing Perpelx City does not require you to solve every card. This
particular card does require you to prove the Riemann Hypothesis which, to
date, no one on Earth has succedded in doing. However, someday this
hypthothesis may be solved, enabling you to enter the answer to the card.

We hope that you'd don't stop playing Perplex City because of this, as part of
the game is to showcase as yet unsolved puzzled in the hopes that they may one
day be solved. We are aware that this card has caused a lot of frustration
and debate and will bear this in mind when designing future cards.

Regards,

Perplex City Customer Services


That tells us all we need to know really doesn't it. I take back all I've said about this puzzle, and the fact that MC would not do this to us.

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Fuseunderground
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Thanks Don,

Glad that this is finally cleared up,
I thought it might be something like that
(as I tried to imply in my previous post)
An ultimate challenge for all puzzle solvers!

And on the point of the message hidden in the dots;
I can't see much myself, but there still could be something there,
as all the hidden information found on other cards
(Kurt's Web address, Sente's Note, etc.)
has been separate to the solution of the puzzle.

So I for one will keep staring at larger and larger
blow-ups of lots of grey squares Laughing

Rich

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Is there a chance they're yanking your chain? Shocked

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I very much doubt it. Still a good card though. I read a book about Reimanns and learnt a bit about it because of the card.
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donstobbart wrote:
Got a fairly definitive answer when I emailed MC abouot this puzzle.

Quote:
Hello Don,

Thanks for your email.

Playing Perpelx City does not require you to solve every card. This
particular card does require you to prove the Riemann Hypothesis which, to
date, no one on Earth has succedded in doing. However, someday this
hypthothesis may be solved, enabling you to enter the answer to the card.

We hope that you'd don't stop playing Perplex City because of this, as part of
the game is to showcase as yet unsolved puzzled in the hopes that they may one
day be solved. We are aware that this card has caused a lot of frustration
and debate and will bear this in mind when designing future cards.

Regards,

Perplex City Customer Services



And can I just wonder, who did they let write that reply, and could they please keep them away from email in the future:


  • Perlpex City
  • succedded
  • hypthothesis
  • you'd

Egads! use a spell checker already!

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Guin
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Jakeo wrote:
Egads! use a spell checker already!


LOL

And on another note I would like to say

@~@~ers

I still think a mob with burning torches is the way to go guys.

Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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I would be there with my pitchfork if you've got torches!!! Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil

Am disappointed that this is what we actually have to do, but I suppose that I can see why. It IS the ultimate puzzle to be solved.

Don
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