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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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 		They also wrote 'unsolved puzzled in the hopes' which should be puzzles! The line has also been dropped down too far between 'one' and 'day'. I don't know if this means anything but there seemed to be too many errors from MC at the moment!

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They also wrote 'unsolved puzzled in the hopes' which should be puzzles! The line has also been dropped down too far between 'one' and 'day'. I don't know if this means anything but there seemed to be too many errors from MC at the moment!


Bah, there are a few typos-hardly the end of the world.


I would be saddened more if it weren't. I quite like the fact that none of the cards so far have been tricks or have obscure hidden clues-such as the answer coming from extreme closeups on one part of the card. I like the fact that it is what it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:27 am
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Perplex City Customer Services wrote:


...no one on Earth has succedded in doing. However, someday this
hypthothesis may be solved, enabling you to enter the answer to the card.



That implies that Perplexians have solved it and also implies that earth has not. Assuming that their solve is in the answer database and aren't expecting anyone to be able to input the answer, de Branges must not be correct! We are screwed.

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Guin
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 		think this says it all:

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Hello Tim,

Thanks for your email.

In our previous email we should have more accurately stated you need to prove
the Riemann Hypthoesis, instead of solve. You may either: enter the proof
directly into the solve form box for which we recommend a typesetting program
such as Latex which enables you to mix text and mathematical formula
relatively easily; give the name of an accepted proof to the hypothesis; name
the author of an accepted proof to the hypothesis. Since, to date, no one on
Earth has officially proved the hypothesis, we recommend that should you do so
you should contact the Clay Maths Institute first in order to claim the $1m
prize.

Regards,

Perplex City Customer Services

Tim <SPLAT> wrote:


>> Many thanks for your recent email explaining that to solve card #238 I
>> need to solve the Riemann Hypothesis. As this is the case I am assuming
>> that the answer you seek will be in the form of a mathematical
>> equation. Am I correct in this assumption?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> GuiN


Note the terrible spelling and grammar

I am actually really Censored ed off about this tbh. At least it could have been the highest points value silver card Evil or Very Mad
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 		maybe something afterall, there is a slight possibility that de branges may have sloved the Riemann Hypothesis after all, on page 35 EvilGenius Menioned

EvilGenius wrote:
Anyone else come across this:

"A seminar met three times a week at Purdue University during the fall semester 2004 and again during the spring semester 2005 to discuss the proposed proof of the Riemann hypothesis. When the seminar concluded, Yashowanto Ghosh, who participated as a postdoctoral fellow, was satisfied that all objections had been met and that there is a proof."


as a long shot i took the name Yashowanto Ghosh and managed to get his email so i sent one off to him and this is the response that i got back (What i wrote is in Bold)

> Dear Mr Ghosh, It is my understanding that during the spring semester

Actually, all of the academic year 2004-2005.

> in 2005 at Purdue University you were at a discussion about the
> Riemann Hypothesis, and that and the end you were satisfied that all
> objections had been met and that there is a proof of the hypothesis, I
> was just wondering if there is a website that has the proof on it

In two parts. The first part is at:

http://www.math.purdue.edu/~branges/riemannzeta.pdf

and the second part is at:

http://www.math.purdue.edu//~branges/riemannII.pdf

Note, however, that these are only the current versions, there should
be updates sometime in the near future.

With best regards,

Jasho
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This could mean we may be able to solve this card after all

What do you guys think??

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 		Grrr. Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad

However, there must be something in the database that they are comparing the answers against. If we guess that, we would get the points.

Blues

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ManleyM wrote:
maybe something afterall, there is a slight possibility that de branges may have sloved the Riemann Hypothesis after all, on page 35 EvilGenius Menioned.....This could mean we may be able to solve this card after all

What do you guys think??


I had an email from de Branges on the the same page in which he states quite clearly that
Quote:
Only part one containing the proof is complete.


and

he discusses the said seminars in which he concludes:

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It will not however be submitted for publication until I feel the encouragement of colleagues. This could happen as a result of Victor Katznelson from the Weizmann Institute during the fall semester.


So in the meantime we need to wait until de Branges feels happy that his peers are taking it seriously. He must submit the paper for publication / consideration before it can be truely accepted:

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Louis De Branges de Bourcia, or de Branges (de BRONZH) as he prefers to be called, has posted a 23-page paper detailing his attempt at a proof on his university Web page at http://www.math.purdue.edu/~branges/ . While mathematicians ordinarily announce their work at formal conferences or in scientific journals, the spirited competition to prove the hypothesis - which carries a $1 million prize for whomever accomplishes it first - has encouraged de Branges to announce his work as soon as it was completed.


So nothing new but it just confirms what EvilGenius is saying and de Branges confirmed in his email to me. He is going to present the completed paper in a seminar later this year. Only then can it be considered by his peers and only then will it be possible for his peers to conclude a certain proof is how I read this. So lets hope he is not on some plane that ends up on an island like LOST and we never find out what his final paper says.

However, I can not see how MC can not accept this because they would have to disprove it on behalf of the mathematical world.

Damned if we do damned if we dont.

Im off to create a self replenishing power supply and end world hunger.
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However, there must be something in the database that they are comparing the answers against. If we guess that, we would get the points.



Not necessarily.....

I would guess that the person who solves/proves (whatever) the Reimann Hyp is going to first go to the Clay Maths Institue to claim their $1m prize. All Mind Candy have to do is keep checking the website to see if someone proves it (assume it will be all over news fairly quick as well), and then edit their answer box accordingly. The fact that they are giving us three options to try would suggest to me that they haven't actually got any answer in there at all.

Of course, if all we have to do is wait for someone to solve/prove it and it isn't one of us, then it hardly warrants the points anyway.

My suggestion? Ignore this card for now, and help with 13th Labour or Shuffled, which *seem* to be solvable.

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 		I like this... something to look forwards to later Smile
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 		If solving the Riemann Hypothesis is worth 60 points then what on earth is the hardest puzzle? Do we need to solve world hunger, or create a planet with no war?

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 		Both of which probably easier than solving this equation! Laughing
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Hello Tim,

Thanks for your email.

In our previous email we should have more accurately stated you need to prove the Riemann Hypthoesis, instead of solve. You may either: enter the proof directly into the solve form box for which we recommend a typesetting program such as Latex which enables you to mix text and mathematical formula relatively easily; give the name of an accepted proof to the hypothesis; name the author of an accepted proof to the hypothesis. Since, to date, no one on Earth has officially proved the hypothesis, we recommend that should you do so you should contact the Clay Maths Institute first in order to claim the $1m prize.

Regards,

Perplex City Customer Services


Ummm... Silly idea, but is it possible that someone in Perplex City has solved this? Have we emailed anyone in the Academy to see what they say? We may only need the name of the proof or the name of the person who solved it.

I'm not overly familiar with the Academy site, but I'll have a look and see if there's someone I can contact. (Unless someone has already done so)

Cheers

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 		Hahaha, who's the one with the sense of humour?

I read THIS on postsecret.com:

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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:32 PM
To: frankSPLATdocdel.com

I willingly withheld the greatest discovery in
mathematics from the world...It is the solution to
the Riemann Hypothesis...The Riemman [sic] Hypothesis is false.
The prime number 2^13466971-1 is off the critical line.
[/url]

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UKver2.0
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ryandrew wrote:
Hahaha, who's the one with the sense of humour?

I read THIS on postsecret.com:

Quote:

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:32 PM
To: frankSPLATdocdel.com

I willingly withheld the greatest discovery in
mathematics from the world...It is the solution to
the Riemann Hypothesis...The Riemman [sic] Hypothesis is false.
The prime number 2^13466971-1 is off the critical line.
[/url]


AHAHAHAH! I just came here to post this myself. The [SIC] after "Riemman" was priceless. Thank you to the person who sent that in... I haven't laughed that much in a while.
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 		Hmmm,

We know that the folks back in PxC have solved it - I wonder if there is any way of finding out which one of them did.

Perhaps an email to someone at the academy would be useful . . . .

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