unforum

[ecwilder]

hey.. guys... there seems to be time discrepencies?

if you read some of the fiction on whatisthematrix.com... one of them is about a pilot the machines 'raise' by speeding up time in the matrix...

they effectively give him like 5 lifes in 5 minutes, training him to be the best pilot ever, and then they leave him in space (in the 'real' world) to die (read the story to find out why)... but while in space they plug him back into the matrix, and he lives like 50 years in those 5 minutes of oxygen he has left..

so... thats why even tho it was 1999, and now its 2003, and we know neo was only unplugged for 6 months... that it doesnt matter. they sped up time ... those 6 months=the 2 years we lived.

make sensE? it does to me, and thats all that matters

[Omnie]

[ecwilder]

just for the record thats the coolest story on the site.... ill letcha know what happens... the machines are being attacked by an alien race, and so they train this pilot to be the one to go up and kill their mothership...

while the aliens are attacking tho, some matrix servers go offline and everyone inside is standing in the construct clueless for a few minutes, then it all goes back online... its cool.

at any rate, no point to this other than say I LOVED this story, go read it.

[chacko]

I always wondered if time was relevant in the Matrix. If Neo could be jacked in for 3 seconds to master kung fu... ?

[Omnie]

[chacko]

I just read that story, I feel sorry for the guy

Seems like the machines are very communistic. I wonder if maybe his ship will have fallen out of orbit back onto earth and maybe that brief sequence of seeing the sky in the Revolutions trailer they'll show his ship!

[Scotty]

Respect.

[Azathoth666]

[EDIT] this is a bit of a catch up post, rambling between Smith and the whole power thing... sort of...

Yeah, comping from an IS perspective, the only way to kill Smith is to
take the Matrix offline, and rebuild the server.

Of course, then everyone plugged into the Matrix dies or wakes up, because the dream is offline... which means the machines lose their power source (or computing cluster or whatever we really are to them), so potentially everyone is dead except for the people in Zion... and even so, the machines probably have enough standby charge to take Zion out before they go down too.

Remember that in Revolutions the Architect doesn't tell Neo they don't need humans for power: he tells him that there are levels of existance they are prepared to accept: The machines will quite happily take all unneccessary systems off the power grid until the mainframes (running off UPS, or charge or whatever) sort out what the hell to do... but it's a lose-lose situation in that case.

And I'm not sure killing Bane will take Smith out either: think of it in these terms: you have ten computers in a room, all networked. One computer has a virus, which spread to 8 of the other computers in the room (leaving one uninfected). The only way to stop that virus spreading to the last computer is by shutting down all of the others: I think if you kill Bane, Smith loses one Smith, but no biggie... in the park scene in Revolutions theres at least half a dozen that aren't moving by the time Neo is done with them...

What the machines need to do is build a program inside the Matrix called Norton...

("thank you! thank you! I'm here 'till Thursday! Try the Veal!")

[Giskard]

[ecwilder]

giskard: its kinda dumb to assume its pre-matrix.... look at Cascade Vortex. hmmm..... 100% without a doubt in my mind this arg takes place w/in the matrix.

and yes, yes, yes azaroth, if you can program an AI to understand and empathize w/ every human (the mother of the matrix..... Persephone), then i think you can create an AI named NORTON.

( for the record i LOVE it when the architect leads neo (the architects a machiveli!) 'she would undoubtedly be the mother of the matrix.... " the oracle?" (and my fave line:) 'PLEASE' ... (he just tosses the idea aside its great))

[Skelator]

First: Places like the cascade vortex exist. I went to one it was trippy.

Second: Just to get those who dont know straight about this. I think it would be unlikely for humans nto to build a clause like this into any AI.

Laws of Robotics

First Law:

A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

Second Law:

A robot must obey orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

Third Law:

A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Third: The city Neo lives and works in is meant to resemble chicago, but not BE chicago.

Forth: I think the best theory as to the ending of the matrix is the whole

[Dr Wily]

[Omnie]

Hehe, to answer some of the points...

Yep, it's unlikely that we'll ever build the Laws into our AIs, but that's because we're stupid and will probably end up exterminating ourselves sometime soon. lol, maybe that's the moral of the Matrix! At the end, the three laws scroll down the screen... heehee, that'd be great. Protect thyself or else!

Your theory about the ending of Rev just doesn't agree with what's been released about Revolutions:

[Guest]

Silly people. This isn't an official Matrix game. The content will only be as relevant to the Matrix as the PM's can make it without being sued; which is to say, the content won't be very relevant to the Matrix at all. The PM's have used your fervor for all things Matrix to suck you into their game. They gave you a slice of carrot and you are trying to make a stew out of it. Ethical considerations aside, it's a ballsy and, obviously, successful tactic.

As long as you keep trying to force game information into the Matrix paradigm, you'll keep drawing blanks. This thread should be changed to [Off Topic].

[Azathoth666]

There's no need for this thread to be changed: it's all [SPEC]ulation about how (if) this ARG relates to the matrix.

Undeniable parallels can be drawn, in terms of mood, litereary influence etc...

The consesnsus seems to be swinging beind the "this isn't an official..." camp. So what? Is it enjoyable? Yes. Have I nearly torn my hair out over the complexity of it? Several times.

When you look at it in the context of the greater "Matrix Universe", irrespective if Warner Bros or the WBs rubber-stamped it, does it "fit"?

I think so.

We haven't drawn blanks too often in the past: sure we've hit walls for a while here and there, but in general the amount of effort poured into solving the puzzles has been phenomenal, and everyone involved deserves a big old pat on the back, IMHO.

I don't feel duped or angry or mislead if it isn't an official game. It works. Thats what's important.

Sorry for the rant... just thought I'd contribute.