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[SPEC] Relativity to the Matrix
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chacko
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Anonymous wrote:
Silly people. This isn't an official Matrix game. The content will only be as relevant to the Matrix as the PM's can make it without being sued; which is to say, the content won't be very relevant to the Matrix at all. The PM's have used your fervor for all things Matrix to suck you into their game. They gave you a slice of carrot and you are trying to make a stew out of it. Ethical considerations aside, it's a ballsy and, obviously, successful tactic.

As long as you keep trying to force game information into the Matrix paradigm, you'll keep drawing blanks. This thread should be changed to [Off Topic].


You obviously haven't delved deeper in to the Matrix universe. I am thinking of writing a detailed report on how EVERY phenomenon on the little boxes website can be explained rationally by the "Glitches" in the Matrix.

While this game may not be designed directly by Andy and Larry, it is without a doubt in my mind based on their concepts. They probably hired some third party to design it (just like they did for the Animatrix) but they still have absolute say over what happens...
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peter_magenheimer
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chacko wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Silly people. This isn't an official Matrix game. The content will only be as relevant to the Matrix as the PM's can make it without being sued; which is to say, the content won't be very relevant to the Matrix at all. The PM's have used your fervor for all things Matrix to suck you into their game. They gave you a slice of carrot and you are trying to make a stew out of it. Ethical considerations aside, it's a ballsy and, obviously, successful tactic.

As long as you keep trying to force game information into the Matrix paradigm, you'll keep drawing blanks. This thread should be changed to [Off Topic].


You obviously haven't delved deeper in to the Matrix universe. I am thinking of writing a detailed report on how EVERY phenomenon on the little boxes website can be explained rationally by the "Glitches" in the Matrix.

While this game may not be designed directly by Andy and Larry, it is without a doubt in my mind based on their concepts. They probably hired some third party to design it (just like they did for the Animatrix) but they still have absolute say over what happens...


Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with chacko here... I think this ARG is definitely connected to the Matrix franchise in at least a slightly significant way. Looking at the current list of sites and the situation that Beth's involved in right now, I think we can safely assume this ARG is based inside the Matrix, and certain people are starting to discover that their world is not real. Little-boxes.net and cascadevortex.com are good examples of this, as they describe what we could definitely consider to be glitches in the matrix.

I think it is quite unreasonable to say that there is no major connection between this ARG and the Wachowski's Matrix world, especially considering that the "trailhead" is metacortechs.com, the apparent website of Thomas Anderson's workplace. So, I don't think we should completely disband any theories about any connection to the Matrix, because we may later find that it comes into play in a big way later in the story.

BTW, chacko, I live in Ft. Collins, right accross I-25 from you. Send me a message or something sometime, I'd be interested in hearing from another local person involved in this.

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 		Er...I think some of you are arguing about different things. There is no doubt that this is connected to the Matrix universe...hasn't it been kinda obvious?
1) Metacortex
2) Thomas Anderson
3) Glitches in the matrix, many mentions of suspicions that the world may not be real (the hackers talk about it), etc.
4) You may have to take my word for this, it was a while ago, but when the site was first launched with the countdown to Oct. 1, I found six links to Matrix fansites on the second page of the flash file. They were taken down within a day, but I'm now thinking that the PMs must have been reading up or something...
5) Also the whole MetaVr thing...very Matrix-y

I think the only legitimate question is whether this is sanctioned/written by the W. Brothers...and I personally think that has been answered, and the answer is a resounding no, although I'll grant that the issue is still arguable...anyway, yes, I'm still here, because I'm having fun. What more reason do I need?

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chacko
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 		ah for the ARG player though this is a game, for the Matrix zealot this is another chapter of the Truth. Smile Thats the problem. This 'feels' authentic. Smile And logically, it is an intelligent move for publicity... especially when its 'over' and the media talks about it.
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bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz
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chacko wrote:


You obviously haven't delved deeper in to the Matrix universe. I am thinking of writing a detailed report on how EVERY phenomenon on the little boxes website can be explained rationally by the "Glitches" in the Matrix.

While this game may not be designed directly by Andy and Larry, it is without a doubt in my mind based on their concepts. They probably hired some third party to design it (just like they did for the Animatrix) but they still have absolute say over what happens...


You keep thinking that. One month from now, you'll wish you'd spent your time watching Star Trek instead of trying to correlate your concept of "glitches" with what is going on in the game.

I'll make a bold prediction. The plot of this game will become more and more focused on the paranormal. The pseudo-Matrix allusions will fade into obscurity. The hackers will probably stay. Why? The hacking cliche is viewed by some as a necessary evil in this genre of fiction. Hacking allows the use of computers to solve puzzles and gives some degree of drama to uncovering "protected" information.

Why do I think this game will end up having nothing to do with the Matrix?

(1) This is an amateur ARG; albeit a very good amateur ARG. It should be good because the PM's learned the ropes with Lockjaw and have had time to hone their craft.

(2) Andy, Larry, and WB would not entrust their billion dollar baby with a group of amateurs. Projects like this game are usually created by the PM's for fun. I have a feeling that this game is being conducted as a proof of concept; something the PM's can put in their portfolio when they eventually approach entities such as Warner Brothers.

(3) The PM's are very familiar with the history of this genre and tend to be intelligent people most of the time. Therefore, they know that the original Game, The Beast, dealt with the birth of sentient AI and the rise of machines. These PM's would not be foolish enough to create an original ARG that dealt with the same subject, so you people who think this game is about the rise of the A.I. you see in the Matrix, you need to find some other idea to latch on to.

(4) What about the occasional nod to the Matrix? Pure marketing genius. "Let's launch our game right when Reloaded is launched on DVD and the hype for Revolutions is picking up steam. We'll pull people in by giving the impression that the game might be official Matrix Universe material, then when they are all sucked in and loving our wonderful tale, we'll slowly move towards the actual plot. Right? Because all that hacking and robots and artificial intelligence stuff has been done before. Right?"

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 		Slow day though it is, I'm starting to think this thread has served its purpose... There are only so many times people can argue their side of the coin, and really, there are only two sides to this one when it boils down to it.

Kinda like whether you believe in MWAM or not. People could go on for days banging each other on the head with their arguments and not getting anywhere.

Not meaning to be a killjoy, but this thread is beginning to feel like "I've heard it all before" now...
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bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz aka "Matrix Sucks" wrote:
I'll make a bold prediction. The plot of this game will become more and more focused on the paranormal.


Well, seeing how you enjoy the Matrix so much (say I with my base64 encoded tongue firmly implanted in cheek Smile ) I guess it doesn't really matter what the plot of the game evolves into. I appreciate the fact that you gave your prediction, as it's always interesting (and a little fun) to see which predictions came true at endgame.

My prediction is: Nancy didn't do it, but she knows who did.

As for the fun people are having playing the game, I couldn't agree more.

AS for locking this forum down because it has served it's purpose, I couldn't disagree more. I always enjoy reading speculation and opinion about ARG games, so the more the merrier!
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Giskard
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ecwilder wrote:
giskard: its kinda dumb to assume its pre-matrix.... look at Cascade Vortex. hmmm..... 100% without a doubt in my mind this arg takes place w/in the matrix.


Well, excuse me for being 'kinda dumb', I tend to do that ever so often... just ignore me will you?

For the people here that are willing to have a discussion in which you can voice your opinion: The point I'm trying make is that a lot of people are vigorously trying to connect everything that's happening in the ARG to something or someone that's part of the 2 Matrix movies we know, i.e. paranormal things happening = glitches, people disappearing = unplugged, someone acting weird = agent Smith, etc. etc. etc.

I'm not saying anything of that is untrue, I'm just saying, don't jump to conclusions as long as this game is not evidently completely Matrix-based. And if it turns out to be Matrix-based, I bet it's based on a different part of "Matrix-history" then the stuff we already know from the current (Ani)Matrix movies...

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bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz
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 		Why do people keep throwing up the Cascade Vortex as proof of this ARG taking place in the Matrix? The game takes place in the Northwest part of the United States. In that part of the country are several "real" vortexes where people claim weird things happen. The most famous of these is the Oregon Vortex. The Cascade Vortex is obviously a fictional take on this. Anyone in Oregon or Washington with an interest in the paranormal would know about the Oregon Vortex. The same goes for the Cascade Vortex and the fictional world of Metacortex.

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 		Where do I begin with this one? Just want to address your post here, Mr. Matrixsucks.

Before I do I have a question: Are your views on whether this ARG is Matrix-related based truly on the 4 reasons you gave here, or on your hatred of the Matrix? Maybe, just ask yourself this question.

I would also like to know what you have against the Matrix. Maybe start a new topic like [OFF TOPIC] Why I hate the Matrix. All opinions are welcome here. But expect opposition. I will try to give intelligent speculation on your views.

Moving on.

bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
You keep thinking that. One month from now, you'll wish you'd spent your time watching Star Trek instead of trying to correlate your concept of "glitches" with what is going on in the game.


Wow. *meooow! hissss!* Ah, yes all us sci fi nerds with our obsession with Star Trek and The Matrix. Good show. gives you thumbs up

bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
I'll make a bold prediction. The plot of this game will become more and more focused on the paranormal. The pseudo-Matrix allusions will fade into obscurity. The hackers will probably stay. Why? The hacking cliché is viewed by some as a necessary evil in this genre of fiction. Hacking allows the use of computers to solve puzzles and gives some degree of drama to uncovering "protected" information.


FYI. Hackers aren’t the only Matrix fans here. I am barely computer literate. Yet I plan on staying even if (big IF) it turns out to be nonMatrix related. And my bold ass prediction is that most everyone else will too.

On the other hand, Mr. Matrixsucks, what’s gonna happen if, just if, this turns out to be matrix related? Will I be seeing you around here anymore?

bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
Why do I think this game will end up having nothing to do with the Matrix?


Wow, you actually used the words “I think”. Amazing. But let’s move on.

bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
(1) This is an amateur ARG; albeit a very good amateur ARG. It should be good because the PM's learned the ropes with Lockjaw and have had time to hone their craft.


Wait. What’d I miss? When was this established? When did they make this announcement? Is there proof? No? Well, scratches her head, sheesh, bWF, I guess, by using your line of reasoning, if there’s no proof to show that this is an amateur ARG… I guess… that means that this isn’t an amateur ARG. Rolling Eyes

bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
(2) Andy, Larry, and WB would not entrust their billion dollar baby with a group of amateurs. Projects like this game are usually created by the PM's for fun. I have a feeling that this game is being conducted as a proof of concept; something the PM's can put in their portfolio when they eventually approach entities such as Warner Brothers.

(3) The PM's are very familiar with the history of this genre and tend to be intelligent people most of the time. Therefore, they know that the original Game, The Beast, dealt with the birth of sentient AI and the rise of machines. These PM's would not be foolish enough to create an original ARG that dealt with the same subject, so you people who think this game is about the rise of the A.I. you see in the Matrix, you need to find some other idea to latch on to.


I can’t really argue with you on these 2 reasons, except that they are based on your first reason, which seems rather shaky to me.

It is possible that the Brother Wachowskis themselves aren’t involved but are not involved but have entrusted one of the authors of one of the Matrix online comics with this genius ARG.

bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
(4) What about the occasional nod to the Matrix? Pure marketing genius. "Let's launch our game right when Reloaded is launched on DVD and the hype for Revolutions is picking up steam. We'll pull people in by giving the impression that the game might be official Matrix Universe material, then when they are all sucked in and loving our wonderful tale, we'll slowly move towards the actual plot. Right? Because all that hacking and robots and artificial intelligence stuff has been done before. Right?"


And yet you’re still playing. You sir, are a mystery. You’re like a mini ARG complete with the encrypted name. So I’ve come up with some theories.

1.) You just came from another ARG You were at the unfiction other ARGs and found Metacortechs ARG and thought, “Hey, let’s check this out.” So you checked out www.metacortechs.com and checked out the sites and figure, “Hey this sounds cool.” You come back here, see that all us poor obsessed Matrix fanatics are assuming this is a spinoff, and decided to give your views on it. (Honestly I hope it’s this one, but I’m compelled for some odd reason to believe it’s one of the following two)

2.) Sick fascination of something you hate Most, if not all of us, have heard about this site as if it were a Matrix related site. It’s not a long shot I believe, to say that it was the same with you. We all saw the announcement on some website, “A website for Metacortex! Could this be a Matrix spinoff? The Wachowskis are at it again.” And you thought “Aaaaah sh*t here we go.” So you checked it out, came to the forums and got queezy of course. Come on all these lovers of big budget mainstream scifi fluff produced by Hollywood, you were probably about ready to blow chunks. Then you saw something. The argument of whether or not this is an official Matrix spinoff or amateur fan ARG. That lightbulb came on in your head and you decided, What if this has nothing to do with the Matrix? Now whether or not you actually believed that, you knew that it would probably get a lot of opposition from Matrix fans, and nothing is more of a wet dream than shattering the dreams of Matrix fans eh, Mr. Matrix sucks?

3.) Playing Devil’s Advocate Aaah, you’re just f*ckin with us. Nothing was happening to move this investigation forward so maybe you got bored and decided to try a little experiment. You changed your name and decided to create a little drama in here, a little representation of other views right?

Anyway, about your little “if there’s no proof” theory. “If there’s no proof that it exists, then it doesn’t exist.” Good theory, I see where you’re going with it. However do you have proof that the proof doesn’t exist? You see we could go around and around in circles with this argument and get nowhere. And it’s missing something: existence itself is proof of existence.

Now, that in mind, the fact that we lack hard evidence of who the PMs really are is genius in itself. If it was the WB would they actually come right out and link this to the Matrix? No, they want to leave it to the mystery. After all, if this were taking place inside the Matrix, then all the key characters don’t even know it yet because they’re still blind slaves. Sooo… why at this point in the game would we in God’s name see any mention of the Matrix? If we did, that would cue the climax or even the end of this ARG.

Now since you’re so inclined to point out that we are hindering our investigation by assuming this is a Matrix ARG, let me ask you: What have you contributed to this ARG aside from suggesting that us Matrix fans are wearing blinders and not accepting other possibilities? So far all I have seen from you is just that: this is a nonMatrix related ARG, people, wake up. Most, if not all, of the people here who have solved the puzzles believe this to be a Matrix spinoff, whether amateur fan or WB involved. What have you done? Maybe you did change your name and as your other name you probably did solve some puzzles here. So please shed some light here, help us out. What are you all about?

All I’m saying, bWF, is to acknowledge other opinions on this forum as a possibility, and maybe we’ll be inclined to accept yours as a possibility. Wink
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niobexrev wrote:
bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
(1) This is an amateur ARG; albeit a very good amateur ARG. It should be good because the PM's learned the ropes with Lockjaw and have had time to hone their craft.


Wait. What'd I miss? When was this established? When did they make this announcement? Is there proof? No? Well, scratches her head, sheesh, bWF, I guess, by using your line of reasoning, if there's no proof to show that this is an amateur ARG… I guess… that means that this isn't an amateur ARG. Rolling Eyes


*cough*

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