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Path of Least Time update - April 3
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Jotacon
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Path of Least Time update - April 3

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Monday, April 3 2006, 02:07 PM

You'll all be glad to hear that I've calmed down a little in the past fortnight. After I made my previous post, I got a lot of emails from people apologising for the fallout from the PXCPD intranet hack, and I appreciate that.

As I mentioned, I've been hard at work at the Academy to ensure that Sente doesn't suspect that I'm spending too much time on 'extra-curricular activities'. We've had a few tight deadlines come up recently, plus I'm intending to go on holiday with Miranda next week, so I've had to clear up a lot of work. Now that it's spring and it's much lighter in the evenings, we're able to go out running much later. Miranda bought both of us a pair of outrageously expensive Kirman running shoes that have some sort of adaptive memory-shape that lets you run in pretty much any terrain.

So, about Cymbalisty. I have to say that there is nothing obviously incriminating in the police investigation documents. Don't get me wrong, I still think that something unusual happened with his death, what with the cleaners and absence of DNA. However, there's no smoking gun here. The only slightly odd thing, which a few people emailed in to mention, was the traces of 'possible black market' ceretiva derivatives found in his bloodstream.

Ceretiva is an active ingredient in Ceretin and other Cognivia products, and often people on the black market will slightly alter the shape of ceretiva so it isn't picked up on normal scanners or as a result of making it more cheaply. If Cymbalisty was taking black market Ceretin, then it's not terribly surprising that Coroner would find a molecule that looks like Ceretiva.

However, the Head Librarian at the Academy gets paid a fairly reasonable salary and it's not as if he kept his fondness for cognitive enhancers a secret, so I don't really understand why he would be using the black market. I'd be surprised if he even knew where to find a black market - he'd probably think it was a new shop on Dalia Way or something. Who knows, maybe he was just being overly thrifty.

But there's one more thing. The PXCPD Coroner's Office has access to some very good equipment and whenever they find a new molecule or compound that people are taking or selling, it'll get identified and documented on their systems. My point here is that Cymbalisty wasn't just taking black market Ceretin - he was taking an unidentified molecule that looks like Ceretin. If he bought it off a street corner in the Old Town or something, then it shouldn't be unidentified, because chances are the police would've picked it up and given it a name and reference number. This makes the entire question of where the Ceretin came from, and why it hasn't been picked up by the police, very interesting.

Unfortunately I have no real idea how to proceed next and neither does Anna...

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Testing of Ceretin V5?

Also, is it me or is everything quietening down (Kurt - holiday, Scarlett - travlling home etc) looks like their gonna let us concentrate on solving some of these wave 3 cards before pushing on with the story.

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Possibly, but it's not necessarily from Cognivia, however certainly from a well funded group with access to decent labs who can make decent drugs.

Maybe they're from Brixton.

OOG-With wave 2 the story tended to quieten down, so maybe that will happen with wave 3 as well. It would make sense.
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I don't think we're looking at a Cognivia product; they're too a mainstream company and it's likely that new forms of ceretin will be registered with the police in case of such an event.

Also, what could they possibly gain from killing people? I know we've just had a tragic accident in the UK with early stage drug testing, but this is an extremely uncommon occurance and not desirable for the profit margins.

I think we're seeing the first use of a purpose-made form of Ceritiva created by person or persons unknown with the express desire of bumping off Cymballisty without leaving a chemical footprint.
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The PXCPD Coroner's Office has access to some very good equipment and whenever they find a new molecule or compound that people are taking or selling, it'll get identified and documented on their systems. My point here is that Cymbalisty wasn't just taking black market Ceretin - he was taking an unidentified molecule that looks like Ceretin.


I think the point here is that this compound cannot be a Cognivia product or a 'normal' black market Ceretin fake. We're looking for someone who has the know-how to produce their own material that looks like Ceretin, but is actually toxic.

I'd sure like to talk to Calvin Lavant, the person who ran the toxicology screen on Isaac's body; or Dr. Prenderghast, the Coroner. Maybe we should suggest such a meeting to Kurt or Anna?

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Just changing a functional group can completely change the toxicity of a molecule so could look almost identical to Ceretin but have totally different effects.

Maybe manufactured in the clean room at Gillet Road. But if so then the police seem to know a fair bit about this room/rooms, so it seems likely they should be able to put 2 and 2 together if that was the case.

Also, motive for kiling off Cymbalisty? I'm not sure if we have really come up with one yet, given that the final page of the diary seems to be devoid of useful information and was our best guess so far.

Assuming as has been previously mentioned it is the real page. How we would go about tracking down the real real page if it is a fake is another matter. Confused
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Just changing a functional group can completely change the toxicity of a molecule so could look almost identical to Ceretin but have totally different effects.


Sure, but "very good equipment" should be able to easily detect any such changes (I'm a chemist). Tracing such modifications to the bad guys is another story. Kurt seems to have a decent chemical background. Given the contents of that clean room, and the structure of the new Ceretin derivative, he (or I) could tell you if there is a chemical link.

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Also, motive for kiling off Cymbalisty?


I assume the last page we have now is a fake, and Isaac was killed for the true last page and the knowledge it contains.

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Motive does seem to be missing - Graniers Diary was the most obvious but doesnt yield much - unless the link is this child of Edwinas.

Motive has to be that he knows/knew something he shouldnt but another option is - could he have been involved in the first place - an insider in the University?

Another Key Point was - why was Issac so keen to get home? This was out of character according to Jason I know it was Friday but perhaps there was something more - obviously he was expecting his killer - but not that he was in danger - he trusted them implicitly.

I also suspect the 'War' plays in somewhere here, one of his pet subjects - perhaps that was something he was looking into and the Diary was just a red herring.

I think the way forward is to work out who has the ability to make such a drug and to be able to clean up the room so well. (Oh just a thought after watching Columbo was he definitly killed there. Could the body have been moved?)

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sackofpotatoes wrote:
Sure, but "very good equipment" should be able to easily detect any such changes (I'm a chemist).


FWIW, so's Gibbet. I'll agree that they should be able to get some sort of idea of the chemical compound, but that doesn't mean that they are going to know where it comes from.

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Tracing such modifications to the bad guys is another story. Kurt seems to have a decent chemical background. Given the contents of that clean room, and the structure of the new Ceretin derivative, he (or I) could tell you if there is a chemical link.


Problem is that we don't know what's in that clean room. Kurt only got a glimpse of it. Perhaps time to send him back there?

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Also, motive for kiling off Cymbalisty?

I assume the last page we have now is a fake, and Isaac was killed for the true last page and the knowledge it contains.


Or perhaps this is the real page, and the knowledge is equally dangerous?
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duckiemonster wrote:
Problem is that we don't know what's in that clean room. Kurt only got a glimpse of it. Perhaps time to send him back there?

I don't think sending Kurt would be the best idea. The police are already watching him. Sending him back there seems more than a little suspicious. Page wise, is there something we're just overlooking? It seems to me like that last page couldn't be important enough to kill someone over. Steal maybe, but not kill over. Then again...it is V and the 3P...

Hehe..."V and the 3P" sounds like a really cheesy band name.
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Is there a way that we can get Kurt to try and gain access to whatever was in those encryted files of Cymbalisty's? They contained notes on Granier's Diary according to the police report, so maybe we can corrolate what it says with the page we hve been given. Either way, we would learn more. Either that the page is a fake, or that he had some ideas on this baby thing.

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I thought this might be possible; a new Ceretiva derivative would show up as "black-market Ceretin," so it's entirely possible that whoever killed Cymbalisty (read: Miranda) is using the Veritana serum to kill him. While we don't know that Veritana is a Sharp Red derivative, we do know that Cognivia is probably in the beginnings of financial trouble from the News in Brief article. The NiB article also says that Cognivia has been making "incremental improvements to its existing products or new, niche drugs with very limited potential markets."

Now, we don't know how widespread Barrow-Feld Syndrome is in the City, though since the Sentinel published a piece about Harrowak being a BFS sufferer, it stands to reason it is a City equivalent of Alsheimer's. It does appear that the CEOs are banking heavily upon its success, as the article is very pro-Ceretiva (and with as much advertising money they pay the Sentinel, their editorial staff would be crazy to print a negative piece). The article also resounds the call for young volunteers, echoing the CGW advert "puzzle."

Now, the question we must ask in any investigation: who stands to benefit? Who would want the most powerful pharmaceutical company in the City to go bankrupt?

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or cymbalisty was involved in the veritana trials and something went wrong? if cognivia have only just given a press release today about the new drug, then maybe they wouldn't have given the police a sample before the coroners report, and it would therefore be an unknown molecule that looked a bit like ceretiva?

mind you, if this isn't responding to certain topical news then it's spookily coincidentally timed.

rach =)

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And Cognivia is covering up his death? Definitely possible, but we again return to the TOD problem. How does he die in a locked room, but our perp not leave behind any traces? A cleaning crew could have been called, but tricking the vic into drinking the hemlock is a cleaner solution, especially if it comes from a source trusted by the vic (read: Miranda).

Although, if they introduced the bad Red to IC in this manner, why call in the crew? There would have been no need to call in a cleaning crew, which would then mean that we would have evidence of Cym's cleaners.

Hrmmmm...yes, I'd agree that your version is probably the most likely. That this might not have something to do with the Granier Diaries, and that the Veritana trials might have something sinister about them. The only way we'll know is to get into the trials and then do some snooping...

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spugmeistress wrote:
mind you, if this isn't responding to certain topical news then it's spookily coincidentally timed.


[TIAG] And if it is a response of sorts, I'm docking some points from MC for incredibly poor taste. [/TIAG]

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