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[hex set] #202 - Mother Tongue
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SilentlyBroken
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[hex set] #202 - Mother Tongue

No signature I can spot.

Nothing else to say for this card Surprised
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:07 pm
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c1023
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I'm not sure of the answer, but:
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It is a map of the world only showing some countries. Presumably it is related to the languages of those countries.


PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:55 pm
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SpinneNetz
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Yeah, its hard to see from the scan, but I can make out:

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US: English (Native American Languages)
Brazil: Portugese
Ecuador: Spanish (Amerindian Languages)
Guatemala(?): Spanish (Amerindian Languages)
UK: English, Welsh, Scottish (Gaelic?)
Ireland: English, Irish (Gaelic?)
Netherlands: Dutch/Frisian
Austria(?): German, Slovene, Croatian, Hungarian
Spain: Castilian Spanish, Catalan, Galician, Basque
Albania(?): Albanian (official - derived from Tosk dialect), Greek, Vlach, Romani, Slavic dialects
Mauritania: Arabic (official), Pulaar, Soninke, French, Hassaniya, Wolof
Guinea(?): French (official); note - each ethnic group has its own language
Chad: French (official), Arabic (official), Sara (in south), more than 120 different languages and dialects
Egypt: Arabic (official), English and French widely understood by educated classes
Equetorial Guniea(?): Spanish (official), French (official), pidgin English, Fang, Bubi, Ibo
Angola: Portuguese (official), Bantu and other African languages
Somolia: Somali (official), Arabic, Italian, English
Eritrea: Afar, Arabic, Tigre and Kunama, Tigrinya, other Cushitic languages
Oman: Arabic (official), English, Baluchi, Urdu, Indian dialects
Uzbeckestan(?): Uzbek 74.3%, Russian 14.2%, Tajik 4.4%, other 7.1%
Russia: Russian, many minority languages
Japan: Japanese
South Korea: Korean
Laos: Lao (official), French, English, and various ethnic languages
New Caledonia: French (official), 33 Melanesian-Polynesian dialects


Of course, these aren't necesarily the "mother tounges" of these countries, just the most common/official ones.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:25 pm
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nandita
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Does anyone know what the answer field looks like yet? Are we looking for one common answer or multiple ones?

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doublecross
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Single answer, headed 'What is the answer?'. Very helpful!

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Perhaps it is a saying made out of the initial letters of the languages? I can get SPEAK and JUDGE out of them. The answer isn't 'speak up and judge fairly' from Proverbs in the Bible, though.

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doublecross
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Is there a 25th country in the Pacific, just below and to the left of the 204 for getting the hex set?
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hamatoyoshi
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My initial thought was that it was indicating some sort of Language family (wikipedia.org); however, the obvious glaring case against this is the inclusion of Japan with the other Indo-European languages (among others).

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:01 pm
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nandita
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Does anyone think that there may be some kind of Tower of Babel connection? The idea of there being a mono-genesis of language? That was my first thought when I saw the card...

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SpinneNetz
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doublecross wrote:
Is there a 25th country in the Pacific, just below and to the left of the 204 for getting the hex set?


Yeah, I missed it but now its fixed.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:28 pm
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SilentlyBroken
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Tried:

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English


but to no avail. Incorrect.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:05 pm
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modern_hero
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could it be the root of the languages? tried
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latin
, but it's not that.
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Stratman
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Thought I had found something here...
Havent had time to read it all yet

http://www.grsampson.net/Q_PIE.html

tried
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pie
proto-indo-european



nope!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:43 pm
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unclean
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Following on from the previous post, I have also tried:

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Nostratic and Eurasiatic


Both unsuccesful

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:08 pm
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Stratman
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Hmm...I had taken this to mean a search for a single ancient language from which the languages of the marked countries derived. I now think that is unlikely - it is certainly not what mother tongue means...a person has a mother tongue - usually the language they learn first.
From Wikipedia (mother tongue)
Definition based on Origin: the language(s) one learned first (the language(s) in which one has established the first long-lasting verbal contacts).
Definition based on internal identification: the language(s) one identifies with/as a native speaker of;
Definition based on external indentification: the language(s) one is identified with/as a native speaker of, by others.
Definition based on competence: the language(s) one knows best.
Definition based on function: the language(s) one uses most.
Maybe we have been barking up the wrong tree.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:58 am
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Fuseunderground
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If you take the country of origin of the languages (mother country?)
'I' for Ireland 'A' for Arabia (or Arab lands)
'N' for Netherlands

This reduces the amount of countries
Then with the first letters you can spell
'Singular Speak' unfortunately with a 'J' left over.

Whether this points to Japan,
or is going in completely the wrong direction. Who knows?

I hope this helps someone.

Rich

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