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[DJ FreeMason]

Rediculous nothing. That's bull hokey. Why in the world would they create a card in the first place that has, for now and probably for the next century, no answer? I understand they want tough as hell for the silvers, 13th Labor and Shuffled come to mind as well as Elucidate, but impossible period?

I think I'm going to turn my attention to trying to solve either Shuffled or 13th Labor.

[Juxta]

Egads.

Might I suggest that you read the last few pages of the thread at least. March 20th specifically, when we got told the grim/great news. Then, when the opining over the puzzle's "fairness" got too great, a separate thread was split off here for the complaining to go on unhindered.

Net result: It's a puzzle. It's a question. Just because it's not Googleable doesn't make it any less valid. Whenever anyone asks a question, there is an answer - just because nobody has found it yet doesn't mean that it's any less of a question.

J

[X_X]

If you have a problem with Reimann, just send it back to MC.

Tell them you want another card to solve that is currently
solveable without a doctorate in Mathmatics and a team of
100 Math Professors to work on it with you.

they might send you one of the new wave Silvers that from what ive
seen look fun and doable. Might be a more fun challenge rather
than a brick wall.

Or you could just package it and stick it into a Safe Deposit box and
never look at it again. Either choice works.

either way just a suggestion.

[sackofpotatoes]

New to Riemann here... and just read the 40 pages of posts. Whew.

I am not convinced that MC actually wants us to solve the Riemann hypothesis. Yes, I saw the article in the Sentinel; yes, I saw the emails from MC posted in this thread.

I don't buy it.

How can MC check our answers automatically if they don't know the answer? Submitted answers do not generate a "Submission accepted -- pending review" response, so there is no one looking over any proofs we might submit.

Either there is no way to generate a correct response to this card, or the answer is not, in fact, a proof of the Riemann hypothesis.

Personally, I'd like confirmation that there is a way to get a solve on this card at all. This is not a flame; I'm trying to look at this card with fresh eyes.

[sackofpotatoes]

Back on page 37, Guin posted an email from MC. Here's an excerpt.

[lhall]

sack, I know it's already been covered several times over in this thread before, and I don't have the energy to go back and find the link...so here is a link to donstobbart's post on the pxcforums, which are far less cluttered:

what Mind Candy's officially said about it

[DJ FreeMason]

I apologize for my little rant earlier. It was late, and I had a complete "box of hair" day.

Juxta, I have read all 40 pages of Reimann so saying that there was a thread created to bitch about Reimann isn't new to me. I apologize that I did it here.

However, that's neither here nor there. Personally, something doesn't add up. Why would MC offer this one up? It seems out of line with the other puzzles. I mean, currently the two other "impossipuzzles" are cryptographic in nature and eventually crackable. This one just seems like we're missing something basic. I know they've been saying that they want us to prove Reimann's Hypothesis but I can't help but think that something else is being asked beyond that.

[fretty]

I went on firebox the other day and remembered the references It gave to the Riemann Hypothesis. Did we ever find out the relevance of these?

[Tarim]

Hairysocks's Questions

[hairysocks]

Thanks Tarim. By the way, I haven't had a reply from Professor Kiteway yet. Its rather rude of him to not respond. All that PR rubbish on the Academy web site about To ask a question is the beginning of knowledge - I will try sending the same email to Patrick Azadian, Sente's assistant. Maybe he will be more friendly.

[fuse]

I saw this post on /. yesterday and thought straight away of this card. There's now a Wiki for attempting to pool resources and solve these Millenium problems.

http://www.qeden.com/wiki/The_Riemann_Hypothesis

Not sure what's already been mentioned/attempted as a solve for the card, but perhaps worth keeping an eye on?

[groovygirl20]

the 41st mersenne prime is 7235733 digits long it was discovered on the 15th may 2004 it can also be written 2 ^24036583 -1

it is also called the 41st "perfect number" (see http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Perfect_numbers.html its really confusing!)

it was found by Josh Findley of GIMPS (Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search)

also i found from http://www.explananda.com/archives/000195.html:

[maevey]

And that was an awful lot of information to tell us absolutely nothing new!

Am I allowed to trout? I want to so I will.

[groovygirl20]

meh... i didnt fancy reading all the other 38 pages there were lol

[brat-sampson]

Next time you're not going to read a topic, don't feel any pressure to post in it either. You do realise that one of the reasons it's so long in the first place is because people like you (we shall call them group Â) post the same information numerous times because they can't be bothered to read what's happened so far and find out that what they have to say has been gone over thoroughly sometimes weeks or months before, and then people like me (group B) who then have to come along and remind you people precisely why what you've just done is so hypocritical and useless. Without all the Âs and Bs this topic would be about half the size. So please, next time try to think about what you're posting and make *sure* it's going to be something usefull.

In short, stop being an Â.

Not trying to be harsh, but surely you can see why posting something like that at the end of a thread like this without even reading it is hardly very productive to anyone.