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#230 Eternally Grateful (Flame)
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mj
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 		#230 Eternally Grateful (Flame)
Guest Puzzle Architect: Tom Chatfield

Text reads:

Seeing no apparent
issue, but our wtay not
entirely shut up
We are pressed on every side,
yet not straitened
We are hard pressed on every
side, but not crushed
We are perplexed,
but not in despair
We are afflicted in every way

How shall we give thanks?

Note that the spelling mistake in 'way' appears to be intentional (it's not noted on the solve page, anyway). There are two maroon-coloured bars to the lhs of the S.

Back reads:

Artist's Quarter Part 1

The Artists' Quarter of Perplex City was originally a small town called Armandier. Much like Toricho, Armandier was subsumed by the city as it expanded outwards. The area fell into disrepair in the middle 100s as people moved out to newer districts, with the trend only reversing a few decades ago when the Council embarked on a regeneration project.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:50 am
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mj
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 		One thing I spotted:

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The text seems to be a variation of Corinthians 2 4-8:
http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/4-8.htm


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 		Seems way too simple for a silver card, but out of the 16 failed attempts, has anyone tried...
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PRAY or PRAYER or PRAISE or GLORY or GRACE or SURRENDER or REJOICE?

What does the answer field look like?
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 		The answer field is a single textbox - no useful notes or comments. A few other things we've found:

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  • wtay is Hebrew for entrance, which makes sense in this context - although Corinthians wouldn't have been in Hebrew.
  • Each 'line' appears to come from a different version of the bible. Possibly Darby, American Standard, New King James, King James/Websters, New American Standard, but there may well be others.
  • Regarding the red lines, they are (roughly) 13mm and 7mm, though I suspect it's more their presence that's meant to be important (if they are).



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 		Are the red lines possibly...
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heat-sensitive? Or, has anyone examined them with a magnifying glass?

They *do* seem to stand out, demanding attention.

Also, your measurements of 13mm and 7mm made me look here...
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http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/13-7.htm


Could the answer be...
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Pray to God, or Prayer to God?

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Fuseunderground
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 		It isn't

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pray to God


or

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prayer


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locard
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 		misread the question, has anyone tried Eucharist?

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 		the Lord's Supper is called the Eucharist. The simple translation of that word is the "giving of thanks".

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Fiera
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 		Re: #230 Eternally Grateful (Flame)
Okay, let's see...

Well, the first thing (aside from the 'wtay') that I noticed is straitened.
Quote:
strait (strāt)
n.

1. (Abbr. Str. or St.) A narrow channel joining two larger bodies of water. Often used in the plural with a singular verb.
2. A position of difficulty, perplexity, distress, or need. Often used in the plural: in desperate straits.

adj.

1.
a. Difficult; stressful.
b. Having or marked by limited funds or resources.
2. Archaic.
a. Narrow.
b. Affording little space or room; confined.
c. Fitting tightly; constricted.
3. Archaic. Strict, rigid, or righteous.

[Middle English streit, narrow, a strait, from Old French estreit, tight, narrow, from Latin strictus, past participle of stringere, to draw tight.]


We can rule out 1a and 1b, I'd imagine. 3 seems unlikely, too. Which leaves that passage basically reading:
We are pressed on every side,
yet not confined in a narrow, tight place

Especially when it is followed by:
We are hard pressed on every
side, but not crushed

This brings to mind pictures of mountains, but I don't think it's meant to.

I haven't yet figured out where the rest fits into it yet. I'm going to start pondering the wtay, as all I've found so far for it are a radio station and wilderness tourism.

The red lines... I'm not sure about. They could be just for decoration, though unlikely. I googled up on calligraphy to see if that meant anything, haven't yet found anything.

I'm also starting to wonder if the style of the card is not meant to imply religion but instead the Olde English style. Perhaps the 'thanks' is not so much saying grace or a prayer but instead something that was shouted in gratitude or something. The 'give thanks' part makes me think about Thanksgiving here in the States. The 'strait' part makes me think of boating or exploring. I can't think, yet, on how to associate the 'wtay' and the 'afflicted in every way' part with any of these trains of thoughts.

So that's where I am on this so far.

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 		Not got the card, but as stated...
These are all 2 Corinthians 4.8...
...they appear to be from these versions of the Bible...

From Seeing no apparent to entirely shut up (maybe the spelling mistake (wtay) is from a particular edition) is from Darby Bible

From We are pressed to not straitened is from American Standard Version

From We are hard pressed to not crushed is from New International Version

From We are perplexed to despair is from Websters Bible Translation

And We are afflicted in every way is from New American Standard Bible

Added...the last line (We are afflicted in every way) is also in
New Revised Standard Version
Revised Standard Version
New English Bible
New American Bible

Of course there may be others - but the exact wordings appear to be from the above
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Stratman wrote:

From Seeing no apparent to entirely shut up (maybe the spelling mistake (wtay) is from a particular edition) is from Darby Bible


According to this page, wtay is Hebrew for 'entrance' - but the word doesn't appear to originally be in Corinthians (they have it as being from Ezekiel):
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=02978&version=kjv

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 		It's not

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Eucharist


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Stratman
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 		From my earlier post on different Bibles - could it be an anagram of the first letters of the names?

Missing a couple of letters (Bibles I could not find?)

Could it be as simple as STANDING?

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Standing with hands uplifted and open, head up, and eyes open
This is the oldest posture for prayer. It is called the orans position, from the Latin word for praying. By praying this way, the worshiper acknowledges God as external and transcendent. This posture is for thanksgiving, praises, blessings, benedictions, and general prayers. This is still the normal position for prayers in eastern churches and in Jewish synagogues, and it is still used in the western church, particularly when the clergy bless the bread and wine of the Eucharist.

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Edward Nigma
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 		It's not
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communion


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 		After much looking and staring and reading. I decided to try:

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prayer


but that was wrong.

As an afterthought, I tried

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hope


but that was wrong too.

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