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Primer #228 ivy set
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UKver2.0
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EvilGenius wrote:
Can some who has this card confirm these long numbers has been transcribe properly? I don' t like the look of the factors for 224...440


I don't have the card, but looking at the jaffasworld and deckboosters sites it looks like there is something wrong with the transcription around the "4649935" part of that "224...440" number.

If you make the "...464..." = "...646..." instead you get much better results when factoring (2*2*2*2*3*3*5*13*13*13*13*13*23*29*43*43*47*47*59*67*67*67*
67*71*71*73*79*89)
and it matches the picture better, I think.

Someone with the card?

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2 2 2 2 3 3 5 13 13 13 13 13 23 29 43 43 47 47 59 67 67 67 67 71 71 73 79 89 converts to four spaces and "aabeeeeehImmnnprrrrsstuw" which is an anagram for "prime numbers are the answer" or something like that.

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donxkey
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 		Card reads:

PRIMER = 4293499561

4918667 = ?

2240348582964699351859483091577187440 = ?

164990462647551511589599262129081060112 = ?

under board

for kim:
8577584129109097887023387461941996431858554496
8318734217971798842263771174966898974462083362
5566401900287017962041449669898506168327073084
9760478363853739695360857802221189398757162415
6135437506827327944082124147375360938816960421
3151295378292736000

phew

It's quite hard to see the numbers on the board. I can probably provide a better scan if you guys would like to check

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UKver2.0
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donxkey wrote:


It's quite hard to see the numbers on the board. I can probably provide a better scan if you guys would like to check


You did it perfectly. Going off that first post, the factoring took my computer two hours and yielded some nasty results. With your transcription it took less than a second.

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The last bit is
2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*
2*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*5*5*5*7*7*11*11*11*11*13*13*13*13*
13*13*13*13*13*13*13*13*13*13*13*13*17*17*17*19*19*19*23*23*23*
23*23*23*23*23*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*29*
29*37*41*41*41*41*41*41*43*43*43*43*43*43*43*43*47*47*47*47*53*
53*53*53*53*53*59*59*59*59*59*59*67*67*67*67*67*67*67*67*67*67*
71*71*71*71*71*71*71*71*71*71*71*71*73*73*73*73*73*73*73*73*73*
73*73*73*73*73*73*79*79*79*79*79*79*79*83*89*101*101*101*101*
101*107*109*109*109*113*113*127*131

or 32 spaces and
a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,b,b,b,c,c,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,f,
f,f,g,g,g,h,h,h,h,h,h,h,h,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,k,l,l,l,l,l,l,m,m,m,m,m,
m,m,m,n,n,n,n,o,o,o,o,o,o,p,p,p,p,p,p,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,
s,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,u,u,u,u,u,u,u,v,w,y,y,y,y,y,a,b,b,b,c,c,d,e

unless 107 equals a space... then it's 33 spaces and
a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,b,b,b,c,c,d,d,d,d,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,f,
f,f,g,g,g,h,h,h,h,h,h,h,h,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,k,l,l,l,l,l,l,m,m,m,m,m,
m,m,m,n,n,n,n,o,o,o,o,o,o,p,p,p,p,p,p,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,
s,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,t,u,u,u,u,u,u,u,v,w,y,y,y,y,y,a,a,a,b,b,c,d



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 		Thank you for the correct numbers - that is much better!

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The 224...440 string is, indeed, an anagram for "prime numbers are the answer" - well done!


Now for the anagramizing of the large block of text!
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 		So, then...
If that's the case for the second block...

Then maybe, just maybe, it could very well be that...
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That big, scary block of letters and spaces anagrams to word-written primes, which would then be gone over again after two layers?


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 		Not sure if any one needs this but what the hey!
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 		Nice idea GasparLewis - got me all excited there - but no dice. See all those p's - no number words have any p's in them. We also run out of n's really early if we start with "three", "five" etc. And there is only one v, used in five so nothing for seven. No matter how carefully we choose words to accomodate the shortage of some letters, we still have all those p's left over. A possible workaround?
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 		Could it just be refering to the fact that prime numbers are needed to work out the answers? or is that too simple

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 		I'm sure it's just a straight forward anagram. The distribution is pretty normal for english. I'm guessing it's a secret love note from Brian Enigma to his girlfriend, Kim S. Razz

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donxkey wrote:
Could it just be refering to the fact that prime numbers are needed to work out the answers? or is that too simple


Could be anything at this point. All we know for certain (I think) is that we need to make an anagram of that large block of text. It will probably have something to do with primes somehow (like maybe a definition of prime numbers - "prime numbers are those number that can only be divided by themselves or one" - don't have time to check if that works right now.
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 		I don't see how this is going to be possible, but one person did solve it 2 days ago.
I have a feeling an important instruction is in the string after...
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"Prime numbers are the answer", but I've come up with too many 5-word phrases to make any sense of it yet.

Regarding the huge group of primes, the only letters we aren't using are:
J, Q, X, Z

Going with 107 being a space, gives us 33 spaces/34 words.
For those who haven't done this yet, the letter distributions are:
A - 16
B - 5
C - 3
D - 5
E - 16
F - 3
G - 3
H - 8
I - 17
J - none
K - 1
L - 6
M - 8
N - 4
O - 6
P - 6
Q - none
R - 10
S - 12
T - 15
U - 7
V - 1
W - 1
X - none
Y - 5
Z - none

Again, I think there's an important instruction we haven't solved yet, to guide us what to do with this. Confused

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 		Just caught up w/ the posts.

I can't believe I spent all of sunday on a set of incorrectly transcribed numbers...

...oh well.

Time to finish this.

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 		Maybe...

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The text converts to 32/33 prime numbers written in english as in "three thirteen etc." then those are used to get to the final phrase?


Or, perhaps:
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Assuming there is no mistake with the frequency list given above, we have 158 letters. The sum of the first 10 prime numbers is 158. Maybe each word will have a prime number of letters.

That should at least help us get a few keywords.

Although I still don't know how we can get a 31 letter word?

The prime list is:

3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31.


Just a thought!

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 		I'm not buying that 197 is a space. If I was setting the puzzle, why would I use 32 two's as spaces and 1 107? It's possible but pointless.

This has already been solved? Rats!

I agree that the unsolve string before the last is likely an important clue.
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EvilGenius wrote:
I'm not buying that 107 is a space. If I was setting the puzzle, why would I use 32 two's as spaces and 1 107? It's possible but pointless.


I agree, but I also don't get the point of the 109 109 109 113 113 127 131 either. Maybe it's to add that little twist to the plot. The ones on the chalkboard don't go past the 27th prime so there is no precedent. Now we have to decide if we make 107 a space or not.

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This has already been solved? Rats!


Ha, that's the only reason I'm working on it. That person, my new idol, solved it and is content to sit on the answer. The only thing cooler would be to spoil his little exclusivity. Razz

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I agree that the unsolve string before the last is likely an important clue.


Again, I agree. Let's do that one up first. I had a list at work. I'll have to regenerate it. Some of my anagrams even had "Garnet" in them.

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