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Primer #228 ivy set
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Fuseunderground
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does anyone have an anagram for the
164990462647551511589599262129081060112 number?

With
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test and prime numbers are the answer

are the first two answers?

what is the third.

I think the hidden text is not related to the solve for the puzzle card.
So we just need the three answers.

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EvilGenius
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UK Ver2.0 - about the space thing. I think about it this way. If I was setting the puzzle and decided that I wanted to represent the spaces with two, I would count them and assign values to the letters. That is the evident plan from what we have solved (admittedly not a lot). The longer the encoded message, the more likely the primes will wrap in modulo26. But why would I subtract one space encoded as a 2 just because the message is longer than before. It's doable but a real nuisance. Until I see a reason to do otherwise, I will continue with the idea that the spaces are the factors 2 and the other wrap to accordingly. It's weak as an argument but better than the alternative which I could only adopt to be contrarian at this point. I prefer to leave that complication for the time being.

As for the other pieces, I interpret them this way: the first anagram we had both the question (the part to be decoded) and the answer we given us, that's why it was a primer; the second bit we had the encoded part with no answer, so it was test, hence the answer; the next bit we had the encoded part which turned out to say what it did. They seem self-referential. The third may continue in this vein or be a hint, not sure which. I'm a bit overwhelmed with the choices so I figure some inspired guessing would help out to narrow the options.
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Hunting4Treasure
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EvilGenius wrote:
I'm not buying that 197 is a space. If I was setting the puzzle, why would I use 32 two's as spaces and 1 107? It's possible but pointless.

First of all, I didn't say 197 (that would be a Q)... I said 107 is now used as a space. The previous solved puzzle string used 2's as spaces (4 - 2's = 4 spaces/5 words). Could be a coincidence, but I doubt it. Should we just ignore them and throw them away? The reason we now have 107 added as a space is that we're now factoring a *huge* number, requiring the use of more primes than the previous string, so it's not pointless. Should we ignore and throw away 107 now? We're keeping 109*109*109*113*113*127*131, right? What would you call them? We only have 26 letters in the alphabet... We *have* to loop around, and 107 is in the same space as 2. So, whatever you do to 2 has to be done to 107.
Or.. 107, 109, 113, 127 and 131 *could* be punctuation, but I really don't want to go there! LOL

This is very neat and clean. (I just hope my formatting is!)

000 001 002 003 004 005 006 007 008 009 010 011 012 013 014 015 016 017 018 019 020 021 022 023 024 025 026
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002 003 005 007 011 013 017 019 023 029 031 037 041 043 047 053 059 061 067 071 073 079 083 089 097 101 103
107 109 113 127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167 173 179 181 191 193 197 199 211 223 227 229 233 239 241 251
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EvilGenius
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The 197 thing in my post is a typo - I also meant 107.

We have no certainty which way to go at this point but the way you arranged all that is compelling. What to do? I suppose that the "zero" position named "space" would be the more mathematically sensible one, wouldn't it? That's what you'd normally do with numbers. OK, Im converted.
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donxkey
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EvilGenius wrote:

As for the other pieces, I interpret them this way: the first anagram we had both the question (the part to be decoded) and the answer we given us, that's why it was a primer;
the second bit we had the encoded part with no answer, so it was test, hence the answer;
the next bit we had the encoded part which turned out to say what it did.
They seem self-referential.
The third may continue in this vein or be a hint, not sure which. I'm a bit overwhelmed with the choices so I figure some inspired guessing would help out to narrow the options.


I was thinking along these lines last night, could the last sentance maybe something about anagraming?

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if the letters are indeed aaaaadeegghhiimmnnprrrssttt then we can make the word anagram and with there being so many a's this seems a pretty good word to get rid of some of them in. Cant make much out of the rest though Rolling Eyes damn there are too many possibilities


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Uhtoff
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The problem is there are lots of promising looking words, I'd really hope that this line is some kind of instruction...

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You can get 'arrange', 'data', 'pairs', even 'digraph' from them, however you can't get 'numbers' or 'letters'. Was thinking of something along the lines of ... ... then ... ..., but can't make anything fit.


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donxkey
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you can also get red herring out of it lol. its annoying that it could be so many things


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UKver2.0
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New direction...

The final big message is too big to anagram. There are too many possibilities. My poor computer has been generating them all night. So I'm going to go on the idea that the final text is (probably don't need to spoiler this)
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from a famous work. I'm thinking BE and KS and the cat could be clues.


Still not ruling out the last chalkboard message as a kloo though. Seeing as this was solved rather quickly by one person, there should be a big hint staring us in the face here.

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donxkey
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do you think the chalkboard itself could be a clue? and is it signifigant that the Initials (if that is what they are) are in a heart?

I am searching wikipedia for anything that might be signifigant but not much to go on

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"Kimberly Smith (born March 3, 1983 in Odessa, Texas) is an American actress/model. She has appeared in the film Catwoman"

hmmmmmmmmm I think i've been staring at this card too long and I am making connections where there arent really any!

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Rather than panicking at the site of Kim's number, we really should work on the smaller one first and save ourselves the neuroses. Just because we know the system doesn't mean we have everything we need to crack it.

Handle the one with 27 characters, not the one with 32 or 33 spaces alone.

We may rock out loud, but let's slow the tempo a bit, mmm?

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UKver2.0
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GasparLewis wrote:
Rather than panicking at the site of Kim's number, we really should work on the smaller one first

I was up late last night working on it when it suddenly told me to go to sleep

aaaaadeegghhiimmnnprrrssttt = "prime anagrams hardest at night"

Bang Head

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donxkey
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UKver2.0 wrote:

I was up late last night working on it when it suddenly told me to go to sleep

aaaaadeegghhiimmnnprrrssttt = "prime anagrams hardest at night"

Bang Head


lol It seems it doesn't want to be solved

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Is GRTae's factorisation correct? I get that 2 divides the second-longest number four times, so there are four spaces, and therefore five words in the result.

We are therefore looking for a five-word anagram of

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AAAAADEEGGHHIIMMNNPRRRSSTTT

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Fuseunderground
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Primer anagrams hardest at night?

probably not

edit:

Or:

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Hating hard primer anagram tests


Rich

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