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[hex set] #202 - Mother Tongue
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SilentlyBroken
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 		Tried

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Christianity


but that was incorrect too.

[eta]Could it be something to do with water, seeing as the background is water?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:25 pm
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Stratman
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 		Thought there may be some cryptic way of getting...
Sansevieria Trifasciata
...from the countries

Its a succulent plant called mother in law's tongue

tried it...
nope!
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chimera245
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 		Anyone tried:

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Esperanto


??

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magicmancraig
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 		chimera245 I can confirm that's wrong.

What was your thinking behind it?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:09 am
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SilentlyBroken
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 		I found:

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/014014305X/ref=ase_theultimathome02/026-3251340-0506024


unsure if spoilers work on links, but it was worth a try Wink

The next step:

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From there I tried the ISBN number of the above ^ but that was returned as incorrect


Funnily enough, I found that upon searching for adders and their countries of origin (relating tongue to snake etc).

[eta] From reading that link etc, I tried:

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sarcasm


but that was returned as incorrect as well.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:51 am
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Guin
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 		this may be of use

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2803/PERSPRO1.htm

I can confirm it is not

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pre-nostratic

proto

italic


[EDIT] just a thought if we are looking at PIE could we be aftera literal translation of mother tongue into PIE?

and another site

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mttoc.html

and it is mentioned in Bill Bysons book

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0380715430/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-9134679-2685700#reader-link
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SilentlyBroken
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language


also didn't work.

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Hunting4Treasure
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nandita wrote:
Does anyone think that there may be some kind of Tower of Babel connection? The idea of there being a mono-genesis of language? That was my first thought when I saw the card...

I was just thinking of http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
Is there something we need to translate into the languages of those countries?

Also, thinking back to the *original* language... Would that be Hebrew? Confused
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chimera245
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magicmancraig wrote:
chimera245 I can confirm that's wrong.

What was your thinking behind it?


There are links in Esperanto to Spanish, Portugese, English, Russion, Swahili among others, which would seem to link the majority of the nations - though only vaguely.

The only problem with that is Japan - which unfortunately forms a problem to Proto Indo-European (I think that is the description of PIE) surely, as I was under the impression that Japanese was descended from the mainland china/mongolian language families.

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ambskunk
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SpinneNetz wrote:
Yeah, its hard to see from the scan, but I can make out:


I have the card and see one difference and three additions that you'd never get from the scan:
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I think Guinea should be Liberia and that Georgia, Jordan and Israel have been missed. There is definitely a gap for Palestine. Hey - might have missed Liechtenstein too, get out those microscopes Very Happy


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Hunting4Treasure
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 		In keeping with the idea I was onto, 3 posts above, I think I may have just been shown a sign... My daughter was just looking at the May 2004 issue of Nick Jr Magazine. I glanced over and noticed a *map*. I took a closer look and got excited!

"Mum's the Word...
for mom in England and Australia. Did you know that the word for mother starts with the letter M in many languages? Some think it's because the "M" sound is one of the first ones babies learn to make.
What do you call your mother? Ma? Mama? Mom? Mommy? Circle the place near where you and your mom live. Then make an X near where your grandmothers came from."

Here's the best part... All over the illustrated map are the words for 'mom', in their languages!
'Mother' in *their* 'tongue'?!? Shocked

Canada - MOM
United States - MOM
Mexico - MAMI
Hawaii - MAKUAHINE
Brazil - MAE
Greenland - MOR
England - MUM
Germany - MUTTER
Russia - MATb
France - MERE
Spain - MADRE
Portugal - MAE
Italy - MADRE
Greece - MANA
China - MAMA
India - MATAJI
Egypt - MEWET
Democratic Republic of Congo - MAMA
Botswana - MME
Australia - MUM

Without having this card, or seeing the answer box, I have no idea what the PMs want. But could this be it, or could I be getting close? Wink
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corrina
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 		Von's Hint:

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To really understand a country, you have to go native


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doublecross
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 		I checked the card very closely last night and can confirm that there are

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28 countries (although New Caledonia is not technically a country) on it as follows, with Internet suffix and main language spoken:

Albania - .al - Albanian
Angola - .ao - Portuguese
Austria - .at - German
Brazil - .br - Portuguese
Chad - .td - French
Ecuador - .ec - Spanish
Egypt - .eg - Arabic
Equatorial Guinea - .gq - Spanish
Eritrea - .er - Afar
Georgia - .ge - Georgian
Guatemala - .gt - Spanish
Ireland - .ie - English
Israel - .il - Hebrew
Japan - .jp - Japanese
Jordan - .jo - Arabic
Korea - .kr - Korean
Laos - .la - Lao
Liberia - .lr - English
Mauritania - .mr - Arabic
Netherlands - .nl - Dutch
New Caledonia - .nc - French
Oman - .om - Arabic
Russia - .ru - Russian
Somalia - .so - Somali
Spain - .es - Spanish
UK - .uk - English
USA - .us - English
Uzbekistan - .uz - Uzbek

The initials of the languages give APGPFSASAGSEHJAKLEADFARSSEEU. It may not be an anagram of this, or there will be some way to order it, because that would make it more difficult than Primer, which is a silver.

There is a possible further island country to the north of New Caledonia (due west of the 'o' of Mother) but I think it is part of the background as it is greyer and there is no corresponding archipelago of the right shape there.

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Fuseunderground
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 		Well spotted ambskunk,
I have confirmed your corrections.
The list now reads
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USA
Guatemala
Ecuador
Brazil
UK
Eire
Spain
Mauritania
Liberia
Equatorial Guinea
Angola
Eritrea
Somalia
Chad
Egypt
Israel
Jordan
Oman
Netherlands
Austria
Albania
Georgia
Russia
Uzbekistan
Laos
South Korea (Republic of Korea)
Japan
New Caledonia


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Fuseunderground
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 		Sorry for repeating doublecross's info,
I was half-way through typing a response when I got distracted.
At least everyone is in agreement.

For the sake of completeness, here's a map
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