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[Juxta]

Shadowcaster - I seriously doubt that (as your post title says) "You know something we don't know". I believe that the phrase is "Put up, or shut up". Last time I checked, nobody had entered a correct solve.

Joe the OOF - the source code won't reveal anything, the Mind Candy techs aren't going to expose anything to the outside world which will give us a clue to what should go into a solve box - someone decidedly more web-techy than I can tell you exactly why. Even if they *had* it would just be wrong.

J

[Guest]

Anyone care to update for wave 3?

[sackofpotatoes]

I'm new to Shuffled so bear with me... I don't see this mentioned on the wiki, but I have not read the first 43 pages of discussion myself:

In the gray box on the top of the card (look around "#243") there are tiny playing card symbols in a regular grid, and they appear to be in a regular pattern (spades, hearts, clubs, diamonds).

If the starting deck card sequence were a regular pattern of suits, this would vastly reduce the number of possible deck configurations (though I haven't bothered to calculate just how many fewer).

I think this is consistent with the ""If entropy wins, outward looks should leave you cold" line: a highly disordered deck is not the solution.

[Bendover]

Could

[padge]

[Hunting4Treasure]

[Asib]

[Bendover]

I have been going over this card over and again and I keep coming back to the fact that every thing needed to solve it is on the card,or so we're told. On the solitaire site http://www.schneier.com/solitaire.html it is stated that (as I understand it) for every letter in the message there has to be a key stream letter generated. with the 108 charactors on the card (Discounting the fading letters) that leaves 54 keystream and 54 message letters. Has any one run the first 54 letters through a fresh non shuffled deck of Motor cards? and tried to decode as per the Solitaire site? I'm going to try it this week end if I can get my mind around the Solitaire manipulations.

[UKver2.0]

[sackofpotatoes]

I didn't think I could be the first to notice those suits, UKver2.0. Thanks for finding and linking to the original posts.

Does anyone know of a Solitair program like the one linked to above for OS X (unix/linux would probably work -- or how to run that program in OS X)? My google fu is failing me, and I'd like to able to run multiple suit swaps at once.

[Sh1ft]

The perl version is well documented:

http://www.schneier.com/code/sol.pl

[thelayfields]

over-arching puzzle

[beglee]

[doublecross]

For those of us that do think that the 54 prime numbered cards with playing card symbols on them correspond to a possible starting deck for Shuffled, by my calculations there are only eight prime numbered cards left unissued. There are also two that have been issued that don't have any card symbols - they could be the jokers or just have the symbols missing. If they are the jokers (in some order) then there are only 2*8!=80,640 combinations to test. If they aren't and there are effectively ten cards missing, then there are 10!=3,628,800 combinations to test.

I have long lost the ability to write programs quickly, so here is my data for someone else to use.

I am assuming that the ciphertext is
WBBMCHGFIBLXCQYWEZFLITHPJ
LFHWYETKWYLJOTYYNGYJBIOGI
FUVMRXIHGURAGXHNQHRSXAWJU
FJTAMSMMOSMVBAAKPGVVWXOVM
YKZPLLUL

The card pack (with * to denote missing cards) is currently:
47,7,33,6,13,21,40,11,51,*,*,
19,22,50,9,25,52,*,32,45,34,
10,14,8,18,44,4,24,35,12,*,17,
26,48,39,27,*,30,43,38,36,23,
*,3,29,2,1,*,15,*,*,*,49,37

And the missing cards are:
5,16,20,28,31,41,42,46,53,54

If you think that The Earth's Destiny and Ball Night are in fact the jokers, then these are the third-last and second-last *s in the second sequence, which will be 53 and 54 (or the other way round).

If you solve the card from this, please let me know!


Edit: Broke up long, forum-stretchy lines of ciphertext and card packs. -SpaceBass

[BrianEnigma]

Brute Force Program