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[SPEC] Figuring out the story line
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Re: what this all is

Sunny du Pree wrote:
logic wrote:
Sunny du Pree wrote:
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how did the kid in the first matrix possibly supposedly still plugged in give neo a bended spoon?


just watched tonite...
he was a rescued orphan and therefor unplugged.

all those kids were still plugged in


nope...watch the movie again. the orphan gave the spoon to the young man that Neo supposedly saved (inspired to unplug) to give to Neo for luck. The young man (sorry dont remember his name) Said that the orphan told him that Neo would know what the spoon meant and that is at the point that I think Morpheus said that it was from the rescued orphans.


lol.... u werent payin that much attention in the first matrix Neo asked the lady are they unpluged she said no they will be when there older

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Re: what this all is

Anonymous wrote:
Sunny du Pree wrote:
logic wrote:
Sunny du Pree wrote:
logic wrote:
how did the kid in the first matrix possibly supposedly still plugged in give neo a bended spoon?


just watched tonite...
he was a rescued orphan and therefor unplugged.

all those kids were still plugged in


nope...watch the movie again. the orphan gave the spoon to the young man that Neo supposedly saved (inspired to unplug) to give to Neo for luck. The young man (sorry dont remember his name) Said that the orphan told him that Neo would know what the spoon meant and that is at the point that I think Morpheus said that it was from the rescued orphans.



lol.... u werent payin that much attention in the first matrix Neo asked the lady are they unpluged she said no they will be when there older


No, she didn't Rolling Eyes She said "... you can wait here. These are the other potentials"

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Re: [SPEC] Figuring out the story line

Sunny du Pree wrote:
burnin wrote:

Oh, and about the missing people: even though unpplugging might be a nice explanation for they disapearance, only young people are supposed to be "freed". Neo was an exception.


Just to be more exact... they prefer to unplug peeps when they are young but more and more peeps woke up than ever before. If you notice in M.R. there are many ages of peeps that have been unplugged. at least that is what i inferred.


There is another theory that is mentioned in the MR movie.
James. Phil and Beth may have discovered that they were actually "Programs" within the Matrix and instead of risking getting deleted they exiled instead.[/b]


I've been following the ongoing storylines and theories... but I have one question: In TMR, didn't Morpheus tell the Counselor in Commander Locke's office "We've unplugged more people in the last six months than we have in the last 6 years!" To me, this would mean that age is not so much a factor any more in whether or not someone is unplugged. Any comments?

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good call myxl... i've been thinking the same...

THE ONE is alive!!! who cares if it's going to 'shock' them.. theres no time to let them live in their docile sleep....
zion needs an army. awaken the masses.

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Re: what this all is

Anonymous wrote:
Sunny du Pree wrote:
logic wrote:
Sunny du Pree wrote:
logic wrote:
how did the kid in the first matrix possibly supposedly still plugged in give neo a bended spoon?


just watched tonite...
he was a rescued orphan and therefor unplugged.

all those kids were still plugged in


nope...watch the movie again. the orphan gave the spoon to the young man that Neo supposedly saved (inspired to unplug) to give to Neo for luck. The young man (sorry dont remember his name) Said that the orphan told him that Neo would know what the spoon meant and that is at the point that I think Morpheus said that it was from the rescued orphans.


lol.... u werent payin that much attention in the first matrix Neo asked the lady are they unpluged she said no they will be when there older


nope sorry I wasnt paying attention closely to your post.
I am sorry I thot you were talking about when Neo got the spoon in MR.
lelelelle.
OH wait all of this AND THERE IS NO SPOON!
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All eggs in one basket theory...

I am new here, but have been following a couple boards about the Metacortechs ARG. You have been discussing how Beth and Neo could have worked at the same company, supposedly the same company that created the matrix, at the same time that the matirx is being created. The Architecht told Neo "There are levels of existence we are prepared to accept." (or something like that) There was also some talk about "back up systems". Wouldn't it make sense that the machines wouldn't put all of thier eggs in one basket, i.e. create a backup matrix? Or, even more plausible, several matrices to ensure that they always had a dependable supply of humans?

This next idea is a little more out there...

What if each Matrix has a Metacortechs, with humans like Beth and Neo existing inside, but each Matrix has a particular purpose? The Machines could be using the matrices as 'test environments' to try and perfect particular glitches. The big hole in this theory? In order for this to happen there would have to be multiple Zions. To have multiple Zions, Zion would have to be inside another type of Matrix...

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I agree with Trip, Beth is obviously investigating glitches in the matrix - I appears Avery did too, which is why he went missing (Sunny´s point about Avery, and possibly Beth and Phillip, being programs, and that Avery went in exile, is very interesting - todays new info suggests he had a wife, though, doesn´t sound that programmy...).
Regarding the MetaVRX: In M1, agent Smith tells Morpheus about the nature of the matrix - that it is based on the highest level of technological development before AI - so for Metacortex to be on the brink of launching an Intelligent VR would mean that this matrix cycle is near the end (=Reload).
Phillip Gairden seems to also be a paranormal investigator, but if he is in fact Stone Jeffreys (I think the pictures look alike) he might be an agent trying to find out how far along Beth is and wether she should be terminated? (even though Jeffreys is an employee of MetacorteX, just like Beth, he is in a different department, so she wouldn´t´know him as anyone other than Gairden...out on a limb here?).
(BTW, SidMatrix - your point about saving us from extinction reminds me of a point on another site - don´t remeber which one - that the machines hold no animosity towards humans, they only try to get the world to function to the best of their (inhuman) capabilities).
Anyway, back to the storyline: I don´t think Smith, Neo, Trinity, Morpheus or any other known Matrix caracter is part of this game - IMHO the appearance of the *TRANSFERRED* info in Metacortex´s employee index is a ploy from the PM´s to get us interested (after all, when we find the search field, what is the first name we´ll try?), and therefore hovers between the ARG and reality.
I think what we need to find out is what Beth was on to, and who else knew - both good and bad guys.
However, we are really just wasting our time ;^) - remember, Neo spent a looong time hacking and never got anywhere for real until someone from the "outside" helped him (=Trinity and Morpheus)...
This could cause some speculation on where the first Free Minds came from:
At the time of the pre-matrix war between the AI and humans, "we" tried to kill AI by nuking it, more or less sacrificing ourselves to that end. The Nuclear Winter would then, if the war itself didn´t, cut off the machines´ energy supply, the sun.
At this point the machines invented the "human power plants" and the embryo fields, but we must assume that there was a population of free humans still wedging war on them - the first Zion.
These people must have found out about the matrix and found a way to infiltrate it, finding the first scepticals (=Thomas Anderson, Beth McConnell...) and freeing them.
So our story line is: We (the players of the game and the in-game scepticals) execute our disbelief in what is supposed to be our reality, and hope for the Free Minds to find and help us...we will get nowhere on our own....

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Theories with h@X0r philez and the WHOMP Spike

Ok, theory about the hacker's files they've been investigating:

Big Spike hit the "nodes." The logs were posted. Most of the spikes occurred at 2PM CST on Oct. 6 (Monday).

The Chicago spike wasn't quite as strong as the 9.x spikes, so Chicago may not be the "epicenter."

Beth sent us e-mail about the house collapsing at 2PM CST, Oct. 6 in Arkansas... sky turning green...

So I believe there's a connection. Now, what is it?!? Smile

Could we be living in the "Matrix" and the spike affected "reality" in the area of the epicenter...

What was the Spike... Gorgon? Labyrinth? Neo flying around kicking a bunch of Agents? Avery back from the dead (jacked into the Matrix)...

Any tie in to the green orbs? (visable manifestation of the WHOMP) ?

Thanks for humoring my stream-of-conciousness Smile

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Re: Theories with h@X0r philez and the WHOMP Spike

Wix wrote:
What was the Spike... Gorgon? Labyrinth? Neo flying around kicking a bunch of Agents? Avery back from the dead (jacked into the Matrix)...


I agree with you for the most part Wix, except I don't think the "Matrix" characters are part of this. I think that is a great connection though between the crumbling house and the spikes.

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Epicenter

I'm still trying to determine if the WHOMP spike was indeed on Oct. 6th. Can't pin that down for sure...

But if it was, that'd be a good sign, since the Oklahoma City spike was in the 9.x range, and the Arkansas house would be right across the border...

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From unjust2.jpg:

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Last monday, right? Good to know I'm not the only one following this. This is what I grabbed off a box in Chicago. Does this match with the stuff we saw before? Man, if we ARE dealing with professionals, they're carrying around the equivalent of a high-grade nuke with a slightly nervous trigger finger. Bounce, Tex, Scratch, you driving on any of this?


So last Monday could be Oct. 6, or Oct. 13,
but given that this may be a continuation of the last time they talked about the WHOMP, that would be before Oct. 13 (Oct. 11, the silvia files).

So that would lead to Oct. 6? Hence the tie in with Beth's e-mail....

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Timezone Map

Ok, I've put together a rough map of the US, and the TimeZones. I've labelled the map with Chicago, Oklahoma City and possible locations for Walnut Grove, AR (which are plentiful, apparently).

The machines are grouped by TZ.

Just because a machine is in a TZ, DOESN'T mean that it's in the U.S. ... Smile

CST:
damocles - Oklahoma City low 9.x
zig - ????? - high 9.x
redpepper - ???? - low 8.x
wasabi - Chicago - mid 6.x

EST:
cogburn - ???? high 7.x
brainiac - northeast - high 1.x

MST:
horschack - same box as last spike - low 1.x
fred - ???? - low 4.x

PST:
stella - west - high 0.x
scritchety - scratch's machine - 0.0
rome - ???? - 0.0
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Just an odd thought here, and if this theory has been posted elsewhere-please excuse my lazy-ness, but I was thinking about what happened in TMR when Neo was able to disable the machines that were hunting the crew of the hovership he was in. He used almost the same gestures he used inside the Matrix to stop bullets or to "effect the environment". Now he is able to do the same kind of thing outside of it. What if that outside of the Matrix world is actually inside a Matrix itself and Neo on some level knows that? The best way for me to describe it would be to compare it to the movie Total Recall. Where almost all of the aspects of "Quade's" Ego-Trip was being played out---even the blue sky on Mars, at the end of the movie you and the character were left wondering "What if this is all a dream?"

{[(Matrix Neo is in)-Escapes to "real world" way in the future] But all inside a larger Matrix and not realizing it}

Maybe the whole Zion thing is a place the Matrix allows the more rebelious minds to go to in order to keep them from doing themselves any real harm and to keep them in the machine/powerplant. Give them a small taste of freedom because it does not matter anyway seeing how they are still all in and making power. Maybe the reason Neo was able to do what he did outside the hovership was because he instinctively knew that he is still in the Matrix. Again just a theory.


Maybe the game is just another aspect of the Matrix in a Matrix in a Matrix. The rub is which Matrix is it in?

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Hoplophobe wrote:
Just an odd thought here, and if this theory has been posted elsewhere-please excuse my lazy-ness, but I was thinking about what happened in TMR when Neo was able to disable the machines that were hunting the crew of the hovership he was in. He used almost the same gestures he used inside the Matrix to stop bullets or to "effect the environment". Now he is able to do the same kind of thing outside of it. What if that outside of the Matrix world is actually inside a Matrix itself and Neo on some level knows that? The best way for me to describe it would be to compare it to the movie Total Recall. Where almost all of the aspects of "Quade's" Ego-Trip was being played out---even the blue sky on Mars, at the end of the movie you and the character were left wondering "What if this is all a dream?"

{[(Matrix Neo is in)-Escapes to "real world" way in the future] But all inside a larger Matrix and not realizing it}

Maybe the whole Zion thing is a place the Matrix allows the more rebelious minds to go to in order to keep them from doing themselves any real harm and to keep them in the machine/powerplant. Give them a small taste of freedom because it does not matter anyway seeing how they are still all in and making power. Maybe the reason Neo was able to do what he did outside the hovership was because he instinctively knew that he is still in the Matrix. Again just a theory.


Maybe the game is just another aspect of the Matrix in a Matrix in a Matrix. The rub is which Matrix is it in?


Heehee...yeah, that theory has been debated to death on the Matrix forums...and then resurrected and debated again until the corpse began decomposing, at which point it was cremated and its ashes were debated... and we haven't come to a concensus yet. Many people hate the theory because it defeats the purpose of having sequels at all, and would be too much of a cheap sell-out ending for the WBs to do (you brought up Total Recall...see, it's been done before). The MWAMers say that the non-MWAMers refuse to free their minds from their preconceptions...heh. I personally think both sides are right in a way. This gets a bit confusing, but I think that Zion is the real world, as we know it. Not a computer simulation. However, we don't really know too much about the actual real world, do we? There is a lot that we don't understand. I think Neo had a little epiphany, in which he realized something fundamental about the "real" world that allowed him to do what he did. The question is whether this will be directly addressed in Revolutions, or whether they'll have some other explanation for Neo's abilities...

Anyway, the MWAM theory has been disproven by Keanu Reeves...he said in an interview that, while philosophically and symbolically Zion might not be real, that it might be a "blink of Vishnu" as in Hinduism, it is real literally, in terms of storyline. Very Happy Implying that they will provide an alternate explanation, since they obviously can't just leave something like that hanging...

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I watched The first Matrix again looking for any clues that might be related to this game other then the obvious Metacortex company, and the name Thomas Anderson. This may or may not be useful at all, but I thought I would make it available just incase.

Neo is in search of an answer to the question, "what is the Matrix, and does it exist?" He is so compelled by that question that he lives alone, and his laundry piles up. He sleeps at his computer desk searching for the answer. It was this dedication to the search that lead Morpheus and Trinty to find Neo. Is it possible that the missing characters, went missing because they too were aware of a Matrix and went looking for an answer?

Neo has no friends except the junkies he sold the pirated software to. He sold them information on a disc. What was on those discs? Something important enough that he had to remind them that if they get caught, he had nothing to do with it. Could he be selling beta versions of Metacortex's software? Could the missing characters be guilty of the same? Could Beth be on the verge of doing the same?

Neo keeps his discs hidden inside a book titled "Simulacra and Simulation." Could this book hold any answers to the puzzles in this game? Here is more info on that book: http://www.uta.edu/english/hawk/semiotics/baud.htm

Neo lives in apartment 101. This likely means nothing at all... but it is a ones and zero's number.

Neo's clock reads 9:18 when he wakes up after his encounter with Agent Smith in which he was implanted with a bug. I only through this in incase a 918 comes up. It might signify "wake up."

Trinity carcked the IRS database. Thats how Neo knows of her. Again, maymean absolutely nothing. Unless a characetr in the game is referred to as cracking or hacking the IRS d-base.

Neo's boss' name is Mr. Rhineheart. wonder if he is in metacortechs employee directory. Unfortunately his first name isn't given in the movie.

Trinity and switch take neo to the Adam st. bridge and remove his bug. (in Redland, WA?) Something to watch for if locations are named in Redland.

My own observation tells me that any paranormal or supernatural activity can easily be explained as a "glitch" in the Matrix. This is evident when Neo see's the cat twice and says, "I just had a Deja Vu." The oracle touches on Warewolves and vapires and other lore as well in revolutions. Is it possible that Beth's fascinations in the paranormal, are actually fascinations with glitches in a Matrix? Maybe she doesn't know yet at this point that a Matrix exists, but is searching for proof as Neo did. Maybe the missing man and woman were also seaching for the truth, and were found by Morpheus and Trinity.

The Oracle has a sign in her kitchen that reads in latin, "Know thy self." Again, might be useless.


So those were just a few notes. Again, they may be entirely useless... who knows.

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