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[PUZZLE] #251 - Silver - The Thirteenth Labour - READ POST#1
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fitzyfitz
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chimera245 wrote:
9 months has always been my target.


9 months, Thirteenth Labour...awww, we're having a baby!

<EDIT>

I've been really busy with work and studying lately, so it's kind of nice to be able to make a contribution without having to put in loads of hours... I've now installed a second copy, and have them both running simultaneously, seemingly without any adverse effects on the computer.

Any chance of putting in updates on units processed? At the moment it only tells you when you first launch it, so you have to stop and re-start to find out what progress has been made.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:04 am
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AnotherUselessPwn
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I'm getting a new computer soon so I am going to use my old one as sort of a TestClient server, It will just be used for constantly running TestClient.exe.

I just thought I would try helping out...... Also there are a few computers at my school that no one EVER uses, I thought I would try to get those up and running also.
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addybobble
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Don't forget to use the proper (and rather excellent) client: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/t.kirman/PXC/thirteenth_labour.htm

Maybe that needs to be on a sticky somewhere, had to rummage around to find it myself.

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Daffy889
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Does anyone know if there's a way of getting the client to connect through a proxy server? I was in a room with 18 spare dual-processor machines at uni today and couldn't get it to run on them because there's no way of configuring how it connects.
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marky1124
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Running within Mono

Hi,

I have 4 clients running on a 4 processor SLES Linux machine using Mono v1.1.15. That in itself is amazing, and congratulations to both the 13th Labour author and the Mono folks.

Now unfortunately the clients die after processing a few units each due to memory exhaustion. A quick google suggests that Mono suffers from memory leaks, and certainly my 3 windows based 13th labour clients are looking very well behaved.

So my request is for a command line switch to the client which will cause it to run a single work unit and then exit. Then I can use that in a loop to restart each one in mono and thus avoid the memory leak leading to the processes dying. E.g. Something like

$ while true
do
mono Labour13.exe
done


In the meantime I'll leave it in a loop restart anyway, however each process grows to over 1GB of memory and then the swapper kicks in. It's an ugly situation.

Unless, perhaps, someone else has already figured out a better way around this?

Cheers,
Mark

edit1: Of course a native Linux version of the client code solves all Wink
edit2: Whoops corrected a typo above. I'm running v1.1.15 not v1.1.1

PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:57 pm
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Oh - and also I notice that the clients running under mono call gettimeofday() about 5000 times per second. What a waste of time! Ugh.

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Flynn
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I've had none of these problems with memory - it sits at about 25Mb memory usage and doesn't budge, and I've had it running for days on end. I'm on Ubuntu so there could be a difference there, but also I've just checked what version of Mono I'm on, and it's a bit later than yours - I have 1.1.8.3.

Might be worth installing the latest version of Mono to see if that makes a difference.

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Guin
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13th Lbour site

Ive updated it today to include a new banner submitted by a fellow PXC player and a new Media page with the press release. MJ is going to draft up a download guide which will be added to the download page.

Going well guys Smile
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Guin
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i have created an LJ for us

http://the-13th-labour.livejournal.com/

will post out details to all concerned and will add links when I get home
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Ashin
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Holy Censored

I get busy for 2-3 weeks and the world changes on me =P
Clients, workunits, registered users, a domain name. Nice job guys.

Best quote of the 15+ page catch up:
Quote:
[in regards to PC usage] sure you can use them sounds cool mumble mumble l337 mumble"


Can't wait to hook up some more computers to the cause.

I didn't see it on the webpage (and was admittedly skimming the posts), but is source code available for the client? Not that I want to change anything, but having another software guy look at it can't hurt (having more sets of eyes on a chunk of code always helps, people see different things)

I also noticed a few people questioning why it's such a big deal to be the first one to solve this card... Well, second place is the first loser. Let me explain, because that sounds harsh. I bet not a single person can name anyone from the second Moon landing, but I bet nearly everyone can name more than one person from the first landing. Was it any less impressive? No way, but they did it first. Any athelete that's come in second place before knows they did a good job, but damnit, they got second, so they try again with even more vigor. I think being the first one to solve this card is a pretty big first place. Very Happy (especially since once it's solved, you really can't re-solve it)

Sorry, that was my 2 cents. (Do you guys say two pence over there in the UK, or do you use that idiom at all?)

Anywho, I'm excited to be around again and hopefully knock this card out of comission. Locky!

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Juxta
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First place solve on this card should go to Chimera. Second place to Guin.

End. Of. Story.

Please note the use of full stops there. The card has been bounced around, specced about and generally beaten to death. Witness the full horror of the twenty nine page thread which preceded this one and was finally put out of it's misery not so long ago.

Were it not for Chimera actually coding up the client, and putting many long hours into creating it, testing it, recoding it, testing it some more, releasing it, getting countless PMs, tweaking it, testing it, re-releasing it...ad nauseum, then we'd still be here, in the same situation as we were since July last year. Which essentially was "Hey, has anyone tried FIVECOWS?" and the resultant barbecuing which followed it.

The persistence of both Guin and Chimera basically means that they deserve a lot of the thanks, and any "credit" that'll result from the solving of this card. However, from what I know of them both, they will likely just be happy that the entire community came together and actually achieved this huge accomplishment (as and when it happens) - because it's just that, a community task, collaborative and designed to be completed as a group. It's not a contest to see who can pee highest up against the wall...the only distinction that should be made is for the people who actually managed to rouse the collective into carrying out the task. The whole "Do First Solves actually mean a damn thing?" debate isn't one for this thread - but in the case of this card, it's a good method of giving a little credit where it's due. It's that simple.

J
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Frenzy
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Amen to that.

And 3ed for whoever's computer actually crunched the solve (just for fun Wink )

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Dranioth
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Juxta wrote:
First place solve on this card should go to Chimera. Second place to Guin.

End. Of. Story.

Please note the use of full stops there. The card has been bounced around, specced about and generally beaten to death. Witness the full horror of the twenty nine page thread which preceded this one and was finally put out of it's misery not so long ago.

Were it not for Chimera actually coding up the client, and putting many long hours into creating it, testing it, recoding it, testing it some more, releasing it, getting countless PMs, tweaking it, testing it, re-releasing it...ad nauseum, then we'd still be here, in the same situation as we were since July last year. Which essentially was "Hey, has anyone tried FIVECOWS?" and the resultant barbecuing which followed it.

The persistence of both Guin and Chimera basically means that they deserve a lot of the thanks, and any "credit" that'll result from the solving of this card. However, from what I know of them both, they will likely just be happy that the entire community came together and actually achieved this huge accomplishment (as and when it happens) - because it's just that, a community task, collaborative and designed to be completed as a group. It's not a contest to see who can pee highest up against the wall...the only distinction that should be made is for the people who actually managed to rouse the collective into carrying out the task. The whole "Do First Solves actually mean a damn thing?" debate isn't one for this thread - but in the case of this card, it's a good method of giving a little credit where it's due. It's that simple.

J


Ahem, Quoted for Goddamned Truth.

The happy day that this nightmarish card finally is solved, those two should get the credit without any shadow of a doubt. Without them any hopes of solving the card would be, well, lets just say remote.

Speaking of solving the card, has anyone tried FIVEC*Beaten to death by trout.*

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I say that after Chimera, Guin and whoever's computer solves it, the answer should just be put up and whoever makes the leaderboard makes it. Anyone else after those three (and this isn't meant to sound callous or negative) don't really have a right to feel like they deserve it. People can just be glad that this beast of a puzzle is solved.

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