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[OT] Unfiction don't make judges.....
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European Chris
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[OT] Unfiction don't make judges.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4949488.stm
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:36 am
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How cool is that? *wants to shake that judge's hand!*

There's a link to the transcript too, muchos kudos to the first one to solve it!

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Had a look at the document,

After the words 'smithy code' I have found the following Highlighted letters:

jaiextotpareamqwkadpmq

Mono alphabetically I can get 'ga lowered aboa this and th'
but codes are not my strong suit Sad

It could be an anagram, and I may have missed some letters.
I'm sure someone else can do better than me.

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Update: The Guardian article says there are 25 letters,
and that they are based on a code in the book.

Not having read 'The Da Vinci Code' I'm afraid someone else might have more luck.

The New York Times aparently offered to someone,
that they would put him on the cover if he broke the code!
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Using Word I have extracted the bold italic letters that are not part of a quote. There are some spaces in there so I include them in case they are part of it:

Jaeiextos tg psac g re amqwf kadpmqzv

... but that's 31 letters?!
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I can confirm that it is not a Caesar cipher...
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Me again. Don't know if it is significant, but the last three letters are the 'complements' of the first three letters - where A is the complement of Z, B of Y and so on.
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I have looked through the text again in detail,
and I can only find 28 of XX's 31 letters,
the last of which 'Z' is at the top of page 13.

For example I cannot see an 's' between 'tot' and 'gpa'


These are definitely in the text:

jaeiextotgpacgreamqwfkadpmqz

If anyone who has read the book could suggest what we do with them now,
I would appreciate it, thanks.
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jaeiexto*s*tgp*s*acgreamqwfkadpmqz*v*

The first 's' is in 'that it wa*s* suspicious' (para 16)
The second 's' is in 'and his wife u*s*ed' (para 21)
The 'v' at the end is in 'which was pre*v*alent in Rome' (para 43)

I am pretty sure this is right because I copied the text into Word, got rid of the last 100 pages (don't think the message carried on for long), deleted the headings and quotations, and substituted every non-bold character for nothing. That is what I ended up with.
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doublecross wrote:
Me again. Don't know if it is significant, but the last three letters are the 'complements' of the first three letters - where A is the complement of Z, B of Y and so on.


From what I remember of the book (can't say it really left a great impression on me but...) the Atbash cipher played a part so that could well be be significant.
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Thanks I can see them all now,
The monitor I am using didn't show the 'S's' as bold until I zoomed out.

Right, so there are 31 letters:

jaeie xtost gpsac gream qwfka dpmqz v

The Telegraph article says:

Quote:
Would-be code-breakers of the judgment could look at the alphabet "codex" code-breaking device found in the novel for inspiration.

The device takes the letters of the alphabet and matches them with another set of letters placed in a different order.


could 'the other set of letters' be in the book,
or the 'smithy code' from the start of the document?
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The solution is in today's Guardian. It was solved by the same media lawyer who spotted the code yesterday (which leads me to believe that he had already solved it when he announced that he had found it yesterday).

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The solution is to add consecutive numbers from the Fibonacci sequence to the letters. However (a) there are some errors, (b) you have to add one less than the Fibonacci numbers, and (c) when the number is 2 or 13, you subtract it.

This gives you (without corrections) the string JADKIEFISTERWHOAREYOUDREADOOUGH. Correcting the D to a C, the T to an H and the OO to NO you get "Jackie Fisher who are you? Dreadnough(t)" (Presumably I missed a letter off the end of the sequence - which would have been a Z).

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The times Claims to have solved it themselves,
with some direct help from the judge who told them
to look in his Who's Who entry for a suggestion to the topic.

Giving the answer:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"Smithy Code Jackie Fisher who are you Dreadnought."


as above.
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