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Madcat82
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hmm, I suppose that you could try Latin-2 or unicode, but it should just produce the same thing as ASCII, at least in the 256 spectrum (normal letters) and that is realy all we are interested in...

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Re: Clue answers found by LazarusLong

Magesteff wrote:
3...16. ...
22. .... 20. ...
5. ...8. ...
6. ...12. ...
22. ... 18...
11. ...5. ....


Taking my cue from John 3:16, I checked those particular chapter/verse combinations in each book and came up with well-known phrases on most of them:

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Deuteronomy 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: (one of the 10 commandments); or:
Mark 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our trespasses (or debts), as we forgive those who trespass against us (part of the Lord's Prayer), or:
Revelations 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Exodus 11:5And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that [is] behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.

The only one I don't think has a good match is the 11 5 verse. The Exodus verse is probably the best-known of all the 11:5's, but that's not saying much. There's also Revelations 11:5 which talks about the witnesses in Jerusalem breathing fire on people who attack them.

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Re: Clue answers found by LazarusLong

addlepated wrote:
Magesteff wrote:
3...16. ...
11. ...5. ....


Taking my cue from John 3:16, I checked those particular chapter/verse combinations in each book and came up with well-known phrases on most of them:

Exodus 11:5

The only one I don't think has a good match is the 11 5 verse.


Bible code..... what if it is refering to the NRU press release about the Bible page (Test 4)....
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After much thrashing around with morse code combinations, drizjr discovered that it was "binary" using dots and dashes for the 0/1's. (this should have been obvious from the start, because the lines were 24, 16, and 40 characters in length - it should have been obvious to break the lines into sections of 8 characters.) decoding from binary to ascii gives you NRU US PURGE


Gang ... mayhap it is a file extention in the NRU/PURGE/ that we are looking for?
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6:12

(matthew) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
(mark) And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
(luke) And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
(john) When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
(acts) And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
(romans) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
(corinthians 1) All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
(corinthians 2) Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
(galatians) As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
(ephesians) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(timothy 1) Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
(hebrews) That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
(revelation) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


22:18

(matthew) But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
(luke) For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
(acts) And saw him saying unto me, Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me.
(revelations) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


11:5

(matthew) The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
(mark) And certain of them that stood there said unto them, What do ye, loosing the colt?
(luke) And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
(john) Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.
(acts) I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
(romans) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
(corinthians 1) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
(corinthians 2) For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
(hebrews) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
(revelation) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

3:16

(matthew) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
(mark) And Simon he surnamed Peter;
(luke) John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
(acts) And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
(romans) Destruction and misery are in their ways:
(corinthians 1) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(corinthians 2) Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
(galatians) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(ephesians) That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
(phillipians) Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
(collosians) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
(thessalonians 2) Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all.
(timothy 1) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(timothy 2) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(hebrews) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
(james) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
(peter 1) Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
(peter 2) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
(john 1) Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
(revelations) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

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Bible verses

3:16
(John) For god so loved the world…
(I'll add more, if we need to, but I think Addlepated may be right about this one...)

22:20
(Matt) And He saith unto them, "Whose is this image and superscription?"
(Luke) Likewise also the cup after the supper, saying" This cup is the new testament in my blood which is shed for you."
(Acts) And when the blood of thy martyr, Stephen, was shed…
(Revelation) He which testifieth these things saith, "Surely I come quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.


5:8
(Matt) Blessed are the pure for they shall see God.
(Mark) For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit
(Luke) When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus knees, saying, Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord.
(John) Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed and walk.
(Acts) And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? and she said Yea, for so much.
(Romans) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(1 Corinthians) Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leven, neither with the leven of malice and wickedness; but with the unlevened bread of sincerity and truth (note: verse 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leven…)
(2 Corintians) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
(galatians)This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
(ephesians) For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
(thessalonians 1) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
(timothy 1) But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
(hebrews) Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
(james) Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
(peter 1) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
(john 1) And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
(revelations) And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
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Spec: New Testament v. old

I want to share my reasoning as to why Spookykid and I only did verses from the New Testament (and BTW thanks again Spooky for your help getting these up so quickly).

Marcus (i.e. Reggie) is a lay minister. In the pre-game one of the pages found was the press release containing the picture of the bible page, the one that lead to the Purge file Failsafe.html discovery. That picture is Title page for the New Testament. At one point I remember somewhere Reggie/Marcus said (can't find it now of course, I thought it was on the blog, but not there now if it was ever) "Purge in the good book" when the detectives found it.

So we decided to focus in New Testament verses rather than Old Testament ones. If we still can't come up with anything, we can try the OT ones.

Looks like we have a bible code to solve....

Could 8141 be the number of the word in each verse set we need to use?
(i.e. 8th word from the first set; 1st from the 2nd set, 4th from the third set; 1st from the fourth, then repeat...8, 1, 4, 1 as needed?)
Then again why not 6 numbers in Marcus scrawled on the note paper?
(Addlepated where did you put that Midol again?)
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Stay up???

Coincidence??

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http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/bsl/Library/Referenc/Strongs/SHebrew.pdf

that's a comprehensive list of all the special numbers of hebrew, i didn't notice the word year (trans. of shaneh) in any of the passages, but just in case it matters, 8141 comes from 8138 which you'll notice is a maths term. i could just be confusing the issue on that one though.

now i'm going to make a table of which books have the appropriate verses - as the popularity of the quotes is a rather subjective matter i'm wondering if they'd all come from the same book.

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spookykid wrote:
http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/bsl/Library/Referenc/Strongs/SHebrew.pdf

that's a comprehensive list of all the special numbers of hebrew, i didn't notice the word year (trans. of shaneh) in any of the passages, but just in case it matters, 8141 comes from 8138 which you'll notice is a maths term.


Could just be coincidence but the word means "duplicate, transmute, alter, double, change, disguise, pervert, repeat..."
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i particularly like the pervert one, i'm gonna be calling people 8138's for days...

i've made a table of occurences, it's missing a few from 3:16 in which the none of the other passages occur in that book.
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Narrowing the field

spookykid wrote:
i particularly like the pervert one, i'm gonna be calling people 8138's for days...

i've made a table of occurences, it's missing a few from 3:16 in which the none of the other passages occur in that book.


If we are working from a single book of the Bible having all the verses, that leaves Acts, Romans and Revelations....
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OMG, Revelations could be key. The book not only predicts the end of the world, but the choices of man.
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Revelations! God, I just thought of something, the Earthquake! It was prophesized in the book of Revelations that there shall be a great Earthquake that would shake the world as one of the signs toward the Second Comming of Christ. Next, remember what Caretaker said about "how much would you give up to save the world" , somethings are starting to fit together.
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MidKnight978 wrote:
OMG, Revelations could be key. The book not only predicts the end of the world, but the choices of man.


Earthquakes and Pestilence, don't forget the Anthrax Outbreak!

<Slow smile>

Run the numbers on Revelations, you heard the man!
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MidKnight978 wrote:
Revelations! God, I just thought of something, the Earthquake! It was prophesized in the book of Revelations that there shall be a great Earthquake that would shake the world as one of the signs toward the Second Comming of Christ. Next, remember what Caretaker said about "how much would you give up to save the world" , somethings are starting to fit together.


And there are enough chapters in Revelations to match all the chapters/verses.

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